An "Intelligently Designed" Ruling?

[Tedob1]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman...cle_3030.shtml

Judge Jones utterly misses the fact that Darwinian evolution also has religious implications. Acceptance of Darwinism profoundly affects one's view of such religious questions as the existence and nature of God, the truth or falsity of Scripture and the interpretation thereof, the origin of man, the nature of man, the existence of the human soul or spirit, the existence and nature of natural law, and many others.

Some religions, including but not limited to conservative Christianity, Orthodox Judaism, and most forms of Islam, are consistent with ID and inconsistent with Darwinism. Other religions, including but not limited to liberal Christianity, Reformed Judaism, most forms of Buddhism, Secular Humanism, Unitarianism, atheism, and agnosticism, are consistent with Darwinism and inconsistent with ID.

Judge Jones claimed outrage over a brief statement from the school board advising the students that evolution is only a theory and inviting them to explore alternatives, saying it has the effect of advancing religion (never mind which religion). But he is oblivious to the fact that an entire science curriculum that uncritically accepts Darwinism and excludes even the mention of alternatives has the effect of advancing those religions that are consistent with Darwinism and inhibiting those that are not....

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anybody think this is a valid argument?

[Tedob1]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman...cle_3030.shtml

Judge Jones utterly misses the fact that Darwinian evolution also has religious implications. Acceptance of Darwinism profoundly affects one's view of such religious questions as the existence and nature of God, the truth or falsity of Scripture and the interpretation thereof, the origin of man, the nature of man, the existence of the human soul or spirit, the existence and nature of natural law, and many others.

Some religions, including but not limited to conservative Christianity, Orthodox Judaism, and most forms of Islam, are consistent with ID and inconsistent with Darwinism. Other religions, including but not limited to liberal Christianity, Reformed Judaism, most forms of Buddhism, Secular Humanism, Unitarianism, atheism, and agnosticism, are consistent with Darwinism and inconsistent with ID.

Judge Jones claimed outrage over a brief statement from the school board advising the students that evolution is only a theory and inviting them to explore alternatives, saying it has the effect of advancing religion (never mind which religion). But he is oblivious to the fact that an entire science curriculum that uncritically accepts Darwinism and excludes even the mention of alternatives has the effect of advancing those religions that are consistent with Darwinism and inhibiting those that are not....

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anybody think this is a valid argument?

[nihil]

anybody think this is a valid argument?

No

We know that evolution has and presumably still is happening. Plenty of good scientific evidence for that.

However we also know that evolution does not explain a lot of things, as there are too many missing links, that to put it quite bluntly, should not be missing.

So, it would seem that neither theory is entirely satisfactory. After all, the very process of evolution could well be the result of intelligent design?

[nihil]

anybody think this is a valid argument?

No

We know that evolution has and presumably still is happening. Plenty of good scientific evidence for that.

However we also know that evolution does not explain a lot of things, as there are too many missing links, that to put it quite bluntly, should not be missing.

So, it would seem that neither theory is entirely satisfactory. After all, the very process of evolution could well be the result of intelligent design?

[Evil Moo]

Intelligent Design = Creationism = (Religon + Pseudoscience)

Religon and false science have no place in the classroom.

Intelligent Design/Creationism declares and accepts a conclusion before any evidence is given (or incredibly little). They also maintain this conclusion despite constant disproval and little proving of it.

That is not scientific, that is belief.

Evolution uses a compilation of tested and trialed evidence that form logically concurent and rational resolutions. Theories are formed after results are gathered through the scientific process, not before.

That is not belief, that is scientific theory.

The Establishment Clause prevents religion (/belief) from being taught as doctrine because that would be governmental support of religion (/belief). Evolution is taught instead because it raises no kinds of conflicts and is therefore a legitimate science.

UGH! Someone please explain the concept of Private School to Creationists.

[Evil Moo]

Intelligent Design = Creationism = (Religon + Pseudoscience)

Religon and false science have no place in the classroom.

Intelligent Design/Creationism declares and accepts a conclusion before any evidence is given (or incredibly little). They also maintain this conclusion despite constant disproval and little proving of it.

That is not scientific, that is belief.

Evolution uses a compilation of tested and trialed evidence that form logically concurent and rational resolutions. Theories are formed after results are gathered through the scientific process, not before.

That is not belief, that is scientific theory.

The Establishment Clause prevents religion (/belief) from being taught as doctrine because that would be governmental support of religion (/belief). Evolution is taught instead because it raises no kinds of conflicts and is therefore a legitimate science.

UGH! Someone please explain the concept of Private School to Creationists.

[dalek]

IMO, a lot of the misconceptions out there, about "Darwinism" is mostly because a.He happened to be a christian, b. supposedly towards the end of his life he recanted, on some of his theories.

'Darwinism" is more then just the evolution of man, there are 5 other theories which are intertwined with the overall concept of evolution:

1. Evolution as such. This is the theory that the world is not constant or recently created nor perpetually cycling, but rather is steadily changing, and that organisms are transformed in time.
2. Common descent. This is the theory that every group of organisms descended from a common ancestor, and that all groups of organisms, including animals, plants, and microorganisms, ultimately go back to a single origin of life on earth.
3. Multiplication of species. This theory explains the origin of the enormous organic diversity. It postulates that species multiply, either by splitting into daughter species or by "budding", that is, by the establishment of geographically isloated founder populations that evolve into new species.
4. Gradualism. According to this theory, evolutionary change takes place through the gradual change of populations and not by the sudden (saltational) production of new individuals that represent a new type.
5. Natural selection. According to this theory, evolutionary change comes about throught the abundant production of genetic variation in every generation. The relatively few individuals who survive, owing to a particularly well-adapted combination of inheritable characters, give rise to the next generation.

Origins

All of these theories can be and are supported by scientific facts, as for the biasness of teaching this and excluding ID in the classrooms, it's a moot point,...."Religious Teachings" no matter what type of label you put on it (ID,Creationism etc) should be restricted to privately funded schools.

To insist that religious teaching be allowed in the classroom by using "Darwinism" as an example of a biased opinion is weak, if that were the case, then the premise becomes that all religions should be taught so that the students can have an "All Round" appreciation of the many religions.....that will never happen as the christian church would howl if the schools were forced to teach Islam alongside Christianity, or Buddhaism....

If a person is so inclined to study the church's teachings, then they can follow that path after public school, a "true believer" will always have their own opinion on what's right and what's not.....

Part of the problem in the Middle East or for that matter in Central Asia is the proliferation of religious teachings in the classrooms, and I for one, do not want my children exposed to someone else's viewpoint of what or who created the planet, or what forms of religion they should follow. I will let my children form their "own" opinions when they are old enough to be able to discern truths from fantasy or facts.

just my 0.01 Cdn cents worth.....Dolphin Code 14 (D)

[dalek]

IMO, a lot of the misconceptions out there, about "Darwinism" is mostly because a.He happened to be a christian, b. supposedly towards the end of his life he recanted, on some of his theories.

'Darwinism" is more then just the evolution of man, there are 5 other theories which are intertwined with the overall concept of evolution:

1. Evolution as such. This is the theory that the world is not constant or recently created nor perpetually cycling, but rather is steadily changing, and that organisms are transformed in time.
2. Common descent. This is the theory that every group of organisms descended from a common ancestor, and that all groups of organisms, including animals, plants, and microorganisms, ultimately go back to a single origin of life on earth.
3. Multiplication of species. This theory explains the origin of the enormous organic diversity. It postulates that species multiply, either by splitting into daughter species or by "budding", that is, by the establishment of geographically isloated founder populations that evolve into new species.
4. Gradualism. According to this theory, evolutionary change takes place through the gradual change of populations and not by the sudden (saltational) production of new individuals that represent a new type.
5. Natural selection. According to this theory, evolutionary change comes about throught the abundant production of genetic variation in every generation. The relatively few individuals who survive, owing to a particularly well-adapted combination of inheritable characters, give rise to the next generation.

Origins

All of these theories can be and are supported by scientific facts, as for the biasness of teaching this and excluding ID in the classrooms, it's a moot point,...."Religious Teachings" no matter what type of label you put on it (ID,Creationism etc) should be restricted to privately funded schools.

To insist that religious teaching be allowed in the classroom by using "Darwinism" as an example of a biased opinion is weak, if that were the case, then the premise becomes that all religions should be taught so that the students can have an "All Round" appreciation of the many religions.....that will never happen as the christian church would howl if the schools were forced to teach Islam alongside Christianity, or Buddhaism....

If a person is so inclined to study the church's teachings, then they can follow that path after public school, a "true believer" will always have their own opinion on what's right and what's not.....

Part of the problem in the Middle East or for that matter in Central Asia is the proliferation of religious teachings in the classrooms, and I for one, do not want my children exposed to someone else's viewpoint of what or who created the planet, or what forms of religion they should follow. I will let my children form their "own" opinions when they are old enough to be able to discern truths from fantasy or facts.

just my 0.01 Cdn cents worth.....Dolphin Code 14 (D)

[Relyt]

When I was growing up in grades 1-12, the first class of every school day started off with The Pledge of Allegiance. Since that has gone away from public schools the allegiance to our country has gone down the shitter. The ramafications of lack of patriotism are obviously being exhibited everywhere in the U.S.

Since prayer in school has been banned as well, it has been replaced with sex, knives, gangs, guns, and all manner of other vile things. Utter chaos rules the schools Now what are your future leaders learning?

For those that can't see this direct correlation and the fall of a great nation, then please admit yourself to the nearest hospital and have them install some plexiglas across your abdominal area so you can see where you are going. It is quite obvious you have your head far up your ass and are walking blind.


Our founding forefathers completely understood the importance of God and Country. Our very money states, "In God we Trust". Now disregarding all the extremists, lawyers, politicians, and other liars, that should be drawn and quartered; the dedication to the combination of God and Country produces strong countries. In my era there wasn't a conflict about religion in school. Its practice wasn't forced. And I guess it's time for another History lesson from grandpa here since I have been on this earth probably +20 years longer than most of you doing the talking.

The most mis-interpeted tenent every spoken is the "Separation of Church and State". The whole purpose of that doctrine was to prevent a (as in one) STATE Sponsored (read mandated) Religion. Liars and those with personal agendas have completed twisted and corrupted the pure protection from the government that this doctrine provided. Anyone want to speculate as to why they went out to find a new world? They probably don't teach that any more either.


But you know what? It doesn't matter how we arrived at where we are today. What is important, and young folks better get real serious about this; is how are you going to clean this mess up and survive in the future.

[Relyt]

When I was growing up in grades 1-12, the first class of every school day started off with The Pledge of Allegiance. Since that has gone away from public schools the allegiance to our country has gone down the shitter. The ramafications of lack of patriotism are obviously being exhibited everywhere in the U.S.

Since prayer in school has been banned as well, it has been replaced with sex, knives, gangs, guns, and all manner of other vile things. Utter chaos rules the schools Now what are your future leaders learning?

For those that can't see this direct correlation and the fall of a great nation, then please admit yourself to the nearest hospital and have them install some plexiglas across your abdominal area so you can see where you are going. It is quite obvious you have your head far up your ass and are walking blind.


Our founding forefathers completely understood the importance of God and Country. Our very money states, "In God we Trust". Now disregarding all the extremists, lawyers, politicians, and other liars, that should be drawn and quartered; the dedication to the combination of God and Country produces strong countries. In my era there wasn't a conflict about religion in school. Its practice wasn't forced. And I guess it's time for another History lesson from grandpa here since I have been on this earth probably +20 years longer than most of you doing the talking.

The most mis-interpeted tenent every spoken is the "Separation of Church and State". The whole purpose of that doctrine was to prevent a (as in one) STATE Sponsored (read mandated) Religion. Liars and those with personal agendas have completed twisted and corrupted the pure protection from the government that this doctrine provided. Anyone want to speculate as to why they went out to find a new world? They probably don't teach that any more either.


But you know what? It doesn't matter how we arrived at where we are today. What is important, and young folks better get real serious about this; is how are you going to clean this mess up and survive in the future.