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    Phishing Site Using Valid SSL Certificates

    writes to tell us the Washington Post SecurityFix blog has an interesting article about a new and rather sophisticated phishing scheme. The email not only used the first few digits of the users card number to look more plausible (even though the first part of the number is the same for all cards), but it also used a valid SSL certificate for its domain name."

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    Senior Member genXer's Avatar
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    Checked real quick and see this wasn't posted here yet - if I missed it however - my apologies. I just thought this might go well with Egaladeist's news about phishing.

    This comes from the SANS ISC and goes through a story, a story both comedic and horrific, a story about - you guessed it - phishing.

    Title: "Phollow the Phlopping Phish"

    Link: http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=1118

    At the end of the story - there are lessons learned that should be reviewed as well.

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    And the crux of this issue....
    "Geotrust and other SSL issuers are supposed to do some basic due diligence to ensure that the entity requesting an SSL certificate is indeed authorized to request it on the company's behalf."

    GeoTrust is a bass ackwards company and it's not surprising that they issued a cert to a phishing crew.

    Like we've been saying for years, a valid cert does not necessarily mean that it represents a valid entity.
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    Hey, don't you knock GeoTrust! They sell CHEAP certificates! I never did buy into that damned "You get what you pay for" line of bull!


    There is a reason the larger CA companies charge what can feel like an arm and a leg for a certificate signing. They are leveraging their trusted position, on the certificate requestors behalf. The company in question SHOULD be paying for the CA to expend the effort to do the job right.

    You can certainly go buy one of those pre-fab cardboard cheap-and-easy houses some engineer made to shelter the homeless or folks in 3rd world countries...but if you try to subsist inside one up above the arctic circle, you will get what you paid for.
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    It seems in this case that *even* if you register your domain to a viable trust authority, like CA. There is nothing inherent in the trust system outside of due diligence on the issuing authority to protect you from another less viable company issuing what looks like a valid Cert attached to your name? By that I mean outside of other measure floating around like dual authentication or anti-phishing checks via 3rd party software like Brand Watch etc. And *gasp* customer education that DOES NOT work. Oh and internal fraud checking capabilities that flag use outside of baseline for imediate investigation.
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