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    What do these numbers have in common?

    Manufacture : 14 billion per year or an average of 33 million per day.

    cost between 15 and 45 cents each on the black market in iraq.

    At current market prices, that puts the average cost of taking a human life in baghdad at around $2.40 (1.30).

    These are the statistices for small arm ammunition in the world and iraq specifically. The image that i attached is a graph on the biggest exporters of small arm ammunition worth looking at.

    Usualy source BBC

    Bullets 'flooding Baghdad market'

    Insurgents have no problems finding arms and ammunition
    A lack of international control over the global bullets trade is partly to blame for the spiralling bloodshed in Iraq, a report has found.
    Research carried out by the UK-based charity Oxfam says Baghdad's black market is awash with new ammunition.

    Much of it originated from factories in Eastern Europe and Russia, according to the report.
    It says the ammunition was either smuggled in or leaked from the supplies imported by coalition forces.
    Statistics in the report show some of the ammunition examined was manufactured over 20 years ago.
    New ammunition is widely available on Baghdad's black market

    Barbara Stocking
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    But much of it was new and in good condition, with production dates ranging from 1999 to 2004, it says.
    "New ammunition is widely available on Baghdad's black market," Oxfam director Barbara Stocking told Reuters news agency.
    Working on behalf of Oxfam, researchers from Doctors for Iraq examined bullets from two black market sources in Baghdad.
    Click here to see a breakdown of key ammunition exporters
    Most are said have been manufactured after the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003.
    Many of the bullets had been made in the Czech Republic, Serbia, Romania and Russia, the report added.
    Just how they got to Iraq is not clear.


    The global bullet market is worth an annual $2-$3bn
    "Either they were smuggled into Iraq from neighbouring countries or they have leaked from the vast supplies imported by coalition forces to equip the new Iraqi security forces," the report says.

    It adds that weak controls on the global ammunition trade and weak stockpile security mean that high-quality ammunition is "accessible to individuals and militia groups alike".
    Up to 14 billion bullets are manufactured every year, but there is very little reliable data about who buys them and how they are used, the report says. Export data exists for only 17% of the bullets on the market, leaving over 80% of global supplies unaccounted for.
    Blaming Iraq's humanitarian crisis on the lack of international monitoring, the report calls for a new set of global standards to be put in place for regulating the supply of small arms and ammunition.

    $3bn market

    In Baghdad, bullets for an AK-47 assault rifle cost between 15 and 45 cents each (8p to 24p each), depending on the manufacturer and the age of the bullet.
    At current market prices, that puts the average cost of taking a human life in Baghdad at around $2.40 (1.30).
    Medical sources say that most of those who have died from gunshot wounds were hit by between four and 12 bullets.
    At least 76 countries are known to manufacture small arms ammunition in a global market worth an estimated $2-$3bn (up to 1.6bn) per year, Oxfam says.
    Global output is estimated to be between 10 to 14 billion rounds per year, or an average of 33 million rounds per day.
    The campaign group Iraq Body Count estimates that, on the basis of media reports, the number of civilians killed since the outset of the conflict ranges between 38,355 and 42,747.
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    When the Kurds were fleeing Saddam in the first war I bought some belgium made night vision goggles, an AK-47 bayonett, and 2 hand grenades (live) from a kid about 7. He had a table full of guns and ammo. Along with a dozen high quality miltary grade goggles. This was in the northern provinces on the turkish iraq border. This was long after the war, circa 95ish so I can only imagine what it's like now.
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    Actually Road what give me the shivers is that in one year there are enought bullets manufactured to shoot every man woman and child on this planet nearly 3 times.
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    what give me the shivers is that in one year there are enought bullets manufactured to shoot every man woman and child on this planet nearly 3 times.
    That statistic is misleading, because you have to shoot some people more than
    three times to make sure they are good and dead.
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    Originally posted here by rcgreen
    That statistic is misleading, because you have to shoot some people more than
    three times to make sure they are good and dead.
    And also, some people may have really bad aim and need more than 3 shots to hit someone the first time.
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    That statistic is misleading, because you have to shoot some people more than
    What statistic? It is just simple maths. 14 billion bullets divided by the population of the world which is roughtly about 5 billion that gives about 3 bullets per person. Obiviously if we want to be silly about it and talk about how many bullets shot will actually hit someone and how many of them will be fatal then that is a different story and you need to bring out graphs and statistics ect. Not really the point of the post. Then again I come from a country where even most of the plice are unarmed so i probably dont think bullets and guns are sexy.

    edit : i am slightly drunk so i will probably see the funny side to your posts once i have sobered up^
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    MURACU there is enough beer on the planet to get every human, along with every ape and every monkey and every Lemur good and drunk 3 times a week. So what?
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    true road and i was doing my part in trying to destroy the stock piles. I know dirty job but someone has to do it.
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    Originally posted here by MURACU
    true road and i was doing my part in trying to destroy the stock piles. I know dirty job but someone has to do it.
    Lol...there's your WMD (Weapons of Mass Distortion)....
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    I had some Smithwicks last night. That is definitely a WMD.
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