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    "By saying you've found two decent search engines... what you mean is you've taken two from the article you linked to... and you probably haven't even tried them."

    Hey listen here buddy, I have tried them and they are the two I currenty use. What I said is what I mean, I'm not here to spam your precious site i was only trying to make conversation. And so what if I do want to find out how to make a nuclear weapon. I may just want to know for informational purposes. It's not any of anyone's business what I do or dont do online and I chose to use the same ID for almost all of those things you mentioned because I really dont care if you hack my email or read my blogs or listen to my favorite radio station. Get off your high horse guy.

    " I figure, the less the government is prying into my privacy, the better"
    We have a winner! I under stand some data will be kept for developing and advertising etc, but there needs to be a limit on how long you can keep that informaiton. I think that one dude is right, it is definately better to use a variety of search engines. Anyway, thanks for the welcoming Galdron & everyone else.
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    Originally posted here by brokencrow
    Even when you're using an avatar? Or you're on someone else's computer on someone else's network? LOL.



    Then why is the internet the fastest growing crime scene? Because you CAN get away. The criminal infrastructure on the internet is vast and growing. Here's just one example: click here . Privacy is a key element (among others) to internet crime, just as it is for other crimes.

    There is no privacy if you're a sitting duck. Sometimes obscurity is security.
    I would disagree (big surprise? ) and say that's not the reason why the internet is the fastest growing crime scene... It's the fastest growing crime scene because of the scale of it... It's the first time that crime could easily occur on a global scale...

    Sure there's some privacy but there's no more privacy than you have in your day to day life... If the government knows what books you're checking out of the library, why wouldn't they know what you're searching for online... I don't necessarily agree that they should have access.. but very little privacy exists...

    So you go to Random access points to get online and do all your work... I'm going to figure out the area those access points are in... based on IP, maybe SSIDs in the area (many people use their address --- If anyone wants my SSID I always use the address of the last place i lived... it ****s with peoples heads).. So I deploy a few access points.. eventually you'll stumble upon them and use them... There goes your privacy...

    Another reason internet crime is going up is things like 411 scams... These people don't succeed because of privacy.. they succeed because they're in countries that operating outside most normal laws... the laws of the "civilized" world..

    Now Phish mentioned tor... from time to time I play with it... It has problems in itself that prevent total privacy..

    - Your Exit Point from the Tor Network can Sniff all your traffic... I'm willing to bet the government has a number of tor endpoints... it just makes sense.
    - Java, JavaScript, Flash, Quicktime, Shockwave, ActiveX and VBScript can all still execute via web pages and return your private information. -- Flash is an interesting one as it's being used in more and more online voting sites.. it actually records individual machine characteristics making it extremely difficult to vote repeatedly... even changing your IP (private and public) isn't enough to always deter it.

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    As mentioned above, it is possible for an observer who can view both you and either the destination website or your Tor exit node to correlate timings of your traffic as it enters the Tor network and also as it exits. Tor does not defend against such a threat model.

    In a more limited sense, note that if a censor or law enforcement agency has the ability to obtain specific observation of parts of the network, it is possible for them to verify a suspicion that you talk regularly to your friend by observing traffic at both ends and correlating the timing of only that traffic. Again, this is only useful to verify that parties already suspected of communicating with one another are doing so. In most countries, the suspicion required to obtain a warrant already carries more weight than timing correlation would provide.

    Furthermore, since Tor reuses circuits for multiple TCP connections, it is possible to [WWW] associate non anonymous and anonymous traffic at a given exit node, so be careful about what applications you run concurrently over Tor. Perhaps even run separate Tor clients for these applications.
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    What the hell is an antipoint and why do i have -64?

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    Today 12:25 AM Well your a cocky son of a bitch.


    So I can be banned for being cocky? WTF is this? LoL? Whatever.
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    Hmmmm,

    It's the fastest growing crime scene because of the scale of it... It's the first time that crime could easily occur on a global scale...
    Sort of.............................

    If you look at the actual "crimes" they are not original. What has happened is an improvement in communication that has allowed them to extend their range.

    If you look at history you will see the same is true of the railway, motor vehicle and aeroplane........ they allowed criminals to extend their range.

    Similarly, newspapers, the telegraph and telephone allowed fraudsters to expand their horizons.

    I do not look on the internet as a "crime scene"; merely as a medium, or vector.

    I am amused by those who whine about the lack of "internet security" yet cheerfully toss their precious "personal information" out in their trash can

    Identity theft was around a long time before computers and the internet

    As for data collection by Google and the likes............. when will the moronic retards of this World realise that there is no such thing as a free meal . Are these outfits registered charities? how do you think they finance themselves.......... Paypal?
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    Now Phish mentioned tor... from time to time I play with it... It has problems in itself that prevent total privacy..
    Right. They tell you that right up front. In my example, we're using it to protect from google building a detailed profile of you. Protection from the crap that AOHell just pulled. Not that I think that Google would release it to the public, but be forced to by the .gov. Hopefully, google can continue to resist. But, for how long?

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    Nothing you write or contribute or search for is ever private...an old philosopher said a very long time ago...back when paper was a commodity that only the rich could afford...

    'if you don't want it to come back to you, inscribe it on your mind instead of paper'

    anything recorded in any fashion is liable to be read, studied, and used by others...whether you want them to or not.

    Privacy is a concept...completely dependant upon the integrity of those who you share your information with...willingly and unwillingly.

    And in this world we are all very aware...integrity is a rare commodity.

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    Originally posted here by JerrySmith[MvP]
    What the hell is an antipoint and why do i have -64?

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    Today 12:25 AM Well your a cocky son of a bitch.


    So I can be banned for being cocky? WTF is this? LoL? Whatever.
    I'd consider that a pretty hefty warning, but regardless of whether its a forum or a real life situation, its probably never good to smart off to high ranking members of an organization that you are trying to assimilate in to. As for what antipoints are, go to the FAQ

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    Sure there's some privacy but there's no more privacy than you have in your day to day life...
    True. Privacy is all relative. My income is relatively private, except to banks and the taxman, and even then there's still some discretionary privacy. But if one is subject to a civil or criminal investigation, you can kiss your privacy good-bye. All of it.

    Of course, the same goes for the web. One can use avatars and proxies to obscure who you are, and they work to a degree (often quite well). There was a story earlier this year about a guy who was wardriving, downloading child porn, only to get popped by a traffic cop. He'd probably been getting away with it for some time, and likely would've never been caught otherwise. Another example is warez sites. They come and go like the wind, seldom getting prosecuted. Sure they get shut down, but just switch to another avatar, buy some bandwidth, and set up shop again.

    The internet affords all kinds of privacy if you work at it. I wouldn't take it for granted though.

    Your Exit Point from the Tor Network can Sniff all your traffic...
    Note that Tor is based on "onion routing", originally a US Navy research project.

    What the hell is an antipoint and why do i have -64?
    Welcome to AO, Jerry, home of the good ol' boys.

    I tell you one thing: I wouldn't expect ANY privacy using my legal name and credentials as a handle on any given forum.
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    I'm not concerned with being totally anonymous. I use my legal name as a handle cause I guess I'm just that cocky. If i really were THAT concerned I would make my names different for everything with different passwords. This isn't what I'm talking about though. An alias hardly makes you any more anonymous than using your real name. I post blogs and other info on the same accounts because I WANT PEOPLE TO READ IT. I agree with phish. How long can Google & other search engines keep our data safe from the government? Anyway off topic, where can I get somehelp installing linux on windows XP? Partitioning for XP is a pain in the ass. I've erased my HD twice with fdisk. LoL. xD
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    Should it be the government alone that we should fear regarding this issue? I think and believe not. Unless it is a matter of national security (a very broad definition, BTW), I have greater reason to fear websites who plant data miners and later spoof legitimate email addresses. I've seen a sudden rise in the number of junk emails I receive daily and the I have no reason to disbelieve that they have my number... THEY GOT ME TAGGED but they can tag me for all eternity and they will gain nothing of value from that effort.

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