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    Hmmm,

    The problem is that they get into computers to be something. If these people even had a true interest in technology then a underlying interest would have already made itself present... while this whole obsession with being something simply should not.
    That is an excellent definition of a "script kiddie" or at least of their mentality

    Very similar to the old "first kid on the block" with a BMX or a motorcycle or an automobile. The concept that you can buy true success without any real effort on your part? Like you say:

    By now everyone has a computer and everyone has done something cool with them. There is no one left to impress with your false sense of success.
    The whole computing environment has evolved and changed. You don't see the malware "for the hell of it" that was around in the past. Rather it is very much targeted on commercial and criminal activity.

    Today's script kiddies are frequently criminals and unscrupulous commercial organisations who hire the technologists to produce their tools, and simply behave as "dumb users".

    As a result of of this commercialisation and criminalisation, the lawmakers have upped the ante on the consequences side. That makes it far less attractive for the old style script kiddie mentality, because even a juvenile court sentence hardly makes you look "cool".

    The "good old days" are gone and will never return. Like Bill Clinton jokes and floppy disk boot sector viruses, the concept of the "hacker" is obsolete and redundant, unless it is to return to its original Berkeley University meaning.

    If you cannot do someone any good: don't do them any harm....
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    I wonder, what the true hackers should be called then. We still need a term to address them? Is anything left to address them?
    "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

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    A good question.

    Perhaps "technorati" or "cognoscenti"?

    The original concept is all about knowledge, skill and experience. People who are lateral thinkers, innovators and creators. People who have an in depth knowledge of their systems, environments, and applications such that they can achieve things that are "not in the manual".

    These are the types who can figure out work arounds, bugs, vulnerabilities, POCs, exploits, fixes and so on.

    Now, the important thing to remember is that knowledge is just that: "knowledge". It is not black or white, good or evil, right or wrong, moral or immoral.

    It is what you do with that knowledge, that is subject to judgemental scrutiny

    The problem is that the media hacks and drones don't understand this distinction. Hell, judges and politicians can claim ignorance, and I for one, would believe them . Journalists are supposed to do research, so they cannot take that plea in my opinion.

    Just my preliminary thoughts.............
    If you cannot do someone any good: don't do them any harm....
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    I wonder, what the true hackers should be called then.
    Something blatantly demeaning and insulting. Yeah, be sure to throw bricks at people like that every chance you get.

    We still need a term to address them?
    The birth of a group is the death of individuals. The best you could ever do is leave something like that up to all the silly teenaged internet hipsters. The moment your particular hobby becomes a scene of sorts... disassociate yourself and dismiss the excitement.

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    Nah!

    You are way too cynical there IMHO. I think that the skiddies were attracted by the media coverage and bullcrap.

    The "group" concept, or pigeon-holing as I would call it, is pure media crap.

    As for being a scene, I see it dying by the minute.............. it is all commercial and criminal these days.
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    I think that it is better to learn something rather than investing my stupid head into useless term coining.


    And what is that green meter-type-thing at the bottom of my post count? I see it is growind very slowly. Is is related to how frequently you post or related to the post count?
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    And what is that green meter-type-thing at the bottom of my post count? I see it is growind very slowly. Is is related to how frequently you post or related to the post count?
    It is your "reputation" (formerly "antipoints"). Basically people have awarded you points to show their appreciation (or otherwise) of your contribution to the community and our activities.

    If you look at the yellow toolbar at the top of the page, at the far left you will see a "User CP" option. If you click on that you will see people's comments about your posts They only come if you have been awarded points.

    Down the bottom left of an individual post under the name, avatar, location and all that you will see some icons; one of them says something like "give reputation" if you mouseover it. That is how it works

    EDIT: It looks like a silver weighing scales.
    If you cannot do someone any good: don't do them any harm....
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    Well, Sorry to go completely off topic. but, I see that there are some green dots and some comments and one of them is black. I assume that green one is postitve and the balck one is negative.

    And if it is so, I do not understand who and why would one give me negative points for the post under the hide folders in XP topic. I think that that thing is not moderated.

    Anyway thanks for that. I was not here for reputation, but for gettting help from someone and helping someone else. .... and I think that I have done and am doing my work well.
    "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

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