February 23rd, 2009, 06:01 PM
On Line Harassment
In a thread I started a while back - died and should be left dead; I stated that there is no such thing as Online harassment.
The only reply to that statement:
got me thinking.
Originally Posted by JPnyc
In the news of late there was a story of a Judge who sentences a 14 year old girl to jail for talking **** about her school principal on her my space page. (Ends up the judge was getting kick backs from the privatized juvenile detention center) But her my space comment could be viewed as harassment.
Perhaps creating a blog or social networking account representing someone else in order to defame someone is harassment?
But this is the Internet:
Where men are men. women are men, and children are FBI agents.
How can you be harassed on line. I'm not talking about you getting your feelings hurt and having enough time and money to sue some one or have a district attorney file charges against you. (The bogus my space pages or slanderous posts)
How can anything written on the Internet harm you? Do you really think anyone gives two shits about what someone on my space thinks about you?
So if you feel you are being harassed, why can't you:
Get a new email address
Change screen names
Don't visit the sites that offend you
Turn the computer off
February 23rd, 2009, 07:22 PM
I've thought of releasing malware under pseudonyms such as "Kimberley Vanvaeck" and "Sven Jaschan" with the idea that it would somehow get these people a new trial... sort of speak. There will be none of this "But im just a lil' kid! Bail me out mommy!"
February 23rd, 2009, 07:47 PM
I think that the fake "I'm dumping you" messages that led a 13-year to commit suicide come pretty close to harassment...
I don't think the countermeasures that you posted (changing email address,...) are protection against harassment. I can come up with a number of scenarios that probably wouldn't personally hurt your feelings, but would - in my opinion, at least - constitute harassment. I'm pretty sure, for example, that you wouldn't want your full name and address to show up on Google as the first result when someone searches for your name, if that full name and address are posted on a cross-dressing site by someone pretending to be you. It might not personally hurt your feelings, but what if a potential employer decides to Google you? I know you're excluding slander, but isn't that harassment?
February 23rd, 2009, 09:04 PM
I knew the 13 year old killing herself would be one of the first examples.
That doesn't fly with me. Not only did the older woman (THIS IS THE KEY) pretending to be a young suitor post something to the effect of "I'm dumping you" but also posted to the effect "You should go kill yourself"
Now while tragic; this is the result of a young, naive girl "Listening, and taking to heart, something said on the Internet".
So in my head, I can not fathom the logic - or lack there of - needed to kill one's self based on words posted on the Internet.
As to the cross dressing - lesbian - smurf fetish - white power - southern baptist - job applicant:
Any company who would base their background checks soely on google is a company that's probably not going to be in business very long anyway. And at the very least not one I would want to work for.
February 23rd, 2009, 09:20 PM
Blackmail is everywhere. This is why the government and even google are placing ads on tv and radio to be careful of what you post. Why even bother posting real info on any "free" site? Only sheep and youngins fall for that. There are even trick sites that allow you to use them for registration email only. "Lead the sheep to slaughter"
February 23rd, 2009, 09:33 PM
What about my example of reenacting computer related crimes as an effort to put further heat on people who've previously been arrested for the exact same thing?
February 23rd, 2009, 09:50 PM
Dino > I don't think "harassment" depends on whether or not you can phatom whether or not the supposedly-harassed person should feel harassed or not . If someone would be constantly badmouthing me or my repetutation somewhere online, I, like you, would probably not feel personally hurt; that doesn't change the fact that such acts constitute harassment, though. I believe there are two angles here: a first issue is whether or not there is such a thing as online harassment (which I definitely believe there is), and the second issue (which you seem to be focusing on) is whether or not one should feel bad about being harassed online. In other words: you may believe that people shouldn't feel personally hurt by words on the Internet, but that doesn't change anything about the reality of online harassment...
February 23rd, 2009, 09:56 PM
You mean some "secret society" type thing that made Kelvin Mitnick rich? Computers were here before that azz was even born. Nobody cares about security cams, cops cracking codes, or a dumb chick who was rejected from the Jerry Springer show. As long you are behind me, I control your future.
Originally Posted by The-Spec
February 24th, 2009, 02:57 PM
Originally Posted by dinowuff
I've known a few people who have faced this issue. They have gotten new email addresses (and had to repeated let friends know). Changed screen names more times than they can count. It's usually not the site at issue but the stalker -- most harassment I've seen is due to an ex or new partner of an ex. Using ignore features on forums only goes so far. Turning off the computer can be difficult if you have to use a computer for work or to communicate with friends. Additionally, by doing so, you are ensuring that the "stalker" has won: you don't go online and are afraid to go online.
In some extreme cases, I've seen it jump from online to in-person stalking. It does exist. In some cases it's a minor thing or an assumed thing (e.g., "So and so said this, therefore they are talking about ME! and won't leave me alone!"). In other cases, it's very real and a serious issue that law enforcement won't/can't address (there are few stalking laws for non-cyber issues; even less for cyber stalking/harassment).
One shouldn't have to give up their involvement online because someone else has an issue with them. They need to realize that's the other person's problem. It's when that other person takes it beyond simple online harassment and makes it into an obsession or worse.
February 24th, 2009, 08:59 PM
You female, me male.
Say one evening you and I were going to have a long term, meaningful, overnight relationship.
However, upon my disrobing you started laughing so hard that you passed out.
Ashamed I set out to inform the Internet that you are unreceptive to males.
So I use my vast 411 people search skills and find every online forum - social network.
I get your "friends" to join my social network.
Then I bomb everything with my made up details of that evening we spent together.
How are you going to respond, if at all
Oh yea I do this constantly but not to the point of "SPAMMING" the boards.
P.S. "It may be an inch, but it's an angry inch"
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