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    Quote Originally Posted by gore View Post
    Yea, I've done a lot of "Network Stress Testing" with that tool "Dynamic Object Oriented Multiplexer" tool. And of course the other load testing software I used a lot for school; "Quick User Assessment Completion Kit" or "QUAKE" for short. Just to make sure of course the college network could handle the load.


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    Man I wish I had thought of this gold mine...

    It's like Y2K!

    First off it cannot work.

    Second, It cannot work.

    First rule of security = PHYSICAL Security.

    No matter what is deployed (RFID, GPS, Startrek Security Intervention) Two things must happen.

    RFID. The laptop has to be with in the range of a reader. Pretty sure that's not going to happen.

    GPS and all that other BS they are implying. Yea, OK the laptop has to be turned on.

    So three scenarios.

    1. Idiot steals laptop and sells to friend. Friend gets busted.

    2. ID thief gets laptop, removes HDD, Clones HDD Throws laptop in river. (wow all that anti hacking technology worked real well for you didn't it?)

    3. I get the laptop, Know that a special BIOS is needed to post the attached hardware. Remove the GPS and what ever else they thought of chip, and rewrite the bios so It functions with out the chip.

    Post findings on the Internet.

    Sell the laptop


    If you have physical access to a computer, you own it!
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    It's a proud day for bastards anywhere when 4 posts in a row are all from the BOFHs. *Sniffle*.

    *Chest swelling with pride*. My other PFY has hit it on the head in one of my points that having physical access will probably always equal root access

    Unless of course they make a laptop where it has a full hand scanner that also checks a temp too so you can't saw someone's hand off and use that to get passed the reader heh. Then of course you could still set his hand on fire and dip it in warm water to make it still read it, but hey I didn't say it was bulletproof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinowuff View Post
    It's like Y2K!
    No matter what is deployed (RFID, GPS, Startrek Security Intervention) Two things must happen.

    RFID. The laptop has to be with in the range of a reader. Pretty sure that's not going to happen.

    GPS and all that other BS they are implying. Yea, OK the laptop has to be turned on.

    So three scenarios.

    1. Idiot steals laptop and sells to friend. Friend gets busted.

    2. ID thief gets laptop, removes HDD, Clones HDD Throws laptop in river. (wow all that anti hacking technology worked real well for you didn't it?)

    3. I get the laptop, Know that a special BIOS is needed to post the attached hardware. Remove the GPS and what ever else they thought of chip, and rewrite the bios so It functions with out the chip.

    Post findings on the Internet.

    Sell the laptop


    If you have physical access to a computer, you own it!
    You failed to mention how they could get past the startrek security intervention.

    I'm waiting.

    Seriously though, I agree. There are probably quite a few people that see the term 'unhackable', and automatically think 'will fixink their leetle red wagon...'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinowuff View Post
    If you have physical access to a computer, you own it!
    Hi,

    Are there any precautions one can take so that if someone gets physical access, he/she can't own it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
    Hi,

    Are there any precautions one can take so that if someone gets physical access, he/she can't own it?

    Thank you
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    Please enlighten us.

    May I suggest you patent that and get a copyright first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinowuff View Post
    Please enlighten us.

    May I suggest you patent that and get a copyright first.
    Hi,

    My apologies for not being able to frame the question correctly. I was simply asking what steps one could take to harden the process of accessing the data if one has physical access (for example, in case of lost/stolen laptops)?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenom View Post
    Hi,

    My apologies for not being able to frame the question correctly. I was simply asking what steps one could take to harden the process of accessing the data if one has physical access (for example, in case of lost/stolen laptops)?


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    The actual data can be protected with hard encryption (i.e. AES) As far as preventing someone from being able to make use of the equipment, it is just a matter of replacing parts.

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    There are encryption methodologies that will absolutely prevent access unless the user has the correct credentials to "Unlock" the data. So physical access is meaningless.

    That being said, that type of methodology is flawed in that only one or few will have such credentials. Now those of you that remember Novell from the early days. If you forgot your admin password, or your administrator got pissed - changed the password and left. You were pretty much ****ed!

    Also, let us not forget the L.E.A.F. key for PGP. http://jya.com/pgp-clipper.htm

    There will always be back doors, some line of test code not removed from the production release, something that with enough time and money - we'll get it. And to be honest, usually we will find your unencrypted data in the trash can, or facebook or somewhere where you least expect your data to end up.
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