July 24th, 2001, 08:57 PM
I just wanted to give a little warning to the milw0rm group.
I work for a part of the NSA that monitors break-ins to other systems.
I will admit that I just recently got the position(like 5 months ago). I think that
what they are doing is a good thing but we have watched them do this acts live.
I was selected to give them the warning. If they start to do anything that would threaten
our countries national security than we would have to bust these people. Believe me when
I say that who these people are is no mystery to us I promise. That is all just a little warning to
them because I don't want to see them get nailed.
- (name not published)
We've gotten nearly a half dozen letters like this. People from the "military" wanting
to warn milw0rm. This is the only one i'm publishing, because it's the only one i've been able to verify came
from a governmental employee (although, that probably means that this is the only one out of the six that WASN'T
a NSA guy, hah). Is he really NSA? Uncle Sam only knows. One funny thing though,
"I was selected to give them the warning". Can't you just see a bunch of NSA guys sitting around a desk
drawing straws to see which one of them has to send an e-mail to AntiOnline. Haha.....
I think that you ought to request of the people that send you mail not to cuss in their letters.
I for one do not enjoy seeing cuss words in your mailbag. Please ask them not to cuss words in
their mail that you post on your site.
Computer Programmer for Bob Jones University
Well, I thought for a while about the use of language on the site. AntiOnline
covers the opinions and thoughts from people around the world. People from differnet countries, who
speak different languages, and have different views on ethics and politics. For example, in some
countries, AntiOnline will be full fledge illegal, and my rear would be in jail. So, I'm going to
continue to post the thoughts and views of people as they're expressed to me. The wonderful thing
about the internet, as with most things, if you don't like it, you don't have to read it :-)
JP, I see that you've got a lot of letters from people who
had their sites hacked by milworm and they didn't seem one
bit happy about it even they they had previously admired
milworm's work. It just shows that people hate it when its
done to them and to milworm fans, would you guys like it if
someone messed up with your site? hacking is not good and
cannot be justified and I would term it as a sort of "web
vandalism". The net is our cyber home and I guess we would
like it vandalised as much as we like some idiot to mess and
break into our real homes.
"KEEP THE INTERNET SAFE"
Student at CSUH
Typical case of "I like it as long as it's not in my neighborhood". We have a case
like that going on where I live. They decided to build a new jail. Everyone agrees that we need one. However,
now that it's time to build it, no one wants the foundation dug in their neighborhood ;-)
I was discussing the ethics of hacking to a friend and he brought up a good point and
I wanted to see your reaction to it. The common argument for hacking into systems is
to expose security flaws so that they can be fixed thereby increasing overall security for
those that keep themselves informed. Using that same argument, couldn't I justify breaking
into your house and going through your drawers in your den and bedroom to expose security
flaws in your home security system. Then I could post these flaws on a web page with your
address. Then if you happen to discover your house displayed on the web, you could take
steps to make your house more secure. But, if you don't notice, your house would be wide
open for anyone that reads the web page. Of course, if anyone broke into your house it would
be your fault because you didn't keep yourself in the know about home security.
How do you respond to this?
Hrm. Try it on my next door neighbor's house, we'll see how good of an
idea it is. Hah.
John, I am 15 first of all. I have had a few jobs working
for local ISPS. This was only because of my reputation
around here. I am currently the System Administrator for
eeweb.com. So many people think that if you don't have
a piece of paper saying that you went to school, you
don't know what you're talking about. Also, many of them
think the same just because of my age. Looking through
some of the Milworm profile, I see them as a good example.
All of them except one for sure are 18 and younger. Hell,
I know a 11 year old that does some c++ programing, and that
even supprised me. Anyway, I just wanna say that a college
degree don't mean anything.
Thanks Man.. see ya
Well, being an official college drop out myself, I couldn't agree with you more. Haha. There's
nothing like hands on experience. Granted, there are some fields where you NEED a college degree (i.e. I wouldn't want
a "self taught doctor" operating on me). However, I don't think that computer technology is one of those fields. Also, I know
what the whole "age" thing is like too. I am, after all, only 19 myself. However, this is where the internet helps out people
like us. We're not judged by how young we look, only by the work that we produce. Keep on plugging away and good
luck to you Jason.
I hate to have to ask this, but if those dickheads in congress pass WIPO,
will Antiolnline continue to do what it does or will you close it?
I hope you don't close it because that would suck badly.
Well, it would take a lot more than an act of congress to get AntiOnline shut down =) I could
always ship the site off to England ;-) That's another good thing about the internet. The laws of one land don't hold true
in them all ;-)
First, congrats very much on the Anti-Online site. I check it every
day, and it is a great source of information. It also looks like a
relatively thankless job, so from all of us who read it,
The main issue I'd like to address relates to milw0rm. Now I
understand that the members are young, predominantly under 18. I also
understand that the elite posture in the hacking community (and the
under-18 community) involves a certain disregard for the intricacies of
proper grammar. These points nonwithstanding, the information they've
contributed to the web (the hacked pages and their interviews on
Anti-Online) portrays these kids as being barely literate! The only
messages we have with which to judge the milw0rm group are written in
such a simplistic, stupid manner that it is hard to take them seriously.
They've demonstrated that they are good at breaking into web sites, for
whatever that's worth, but they've just as surely demonstrated a lack of
depth, and in some senses, intelligence.
The members of milw0rm portray themselves as being concerned youth
with a message of peace for the avaricious power elite who run the world
governments, and they portray hacking as a way of serving notice to the
immoral rulers of the world that people won't stand for such behavior.
However, that's only the picture that milw0rm would like to paint-
several salient issues that milw0rm seems to have ignored jump out at
* Even with today's standards of education, I can't believe the
members of milw0rm are so dim as to imagine that anyone in power will be
swayed by their arguments. If their arguments were presented cogently,
with proper grammar and syntax in a major newspaper, it would still get
them politely ignored - as it is, their "message" will be ignored by
anyone who's graduated high school.
* The milw0rm message, so important as to require the mass hacking of
over 300 domains, is "Nuclear War is Bad." Perhaps next they will
reveal to the world that orgasms are good, or that Elvis is dead? Are
they a bunch of angry kids seeking a focus for their anger, or are they
insuring that, if they are busted, they can point to a more noble
purpose for their exploits than sheer juvenile delinqency? In either
case, it comes off looking self-aggrandizing and egotistical.
What can we learn from this, except that we now live in a world where
a handful of relatively dull teenagers can hack into websites? The
missives and interviews clearly demonstrate that this is not an isolated
group of "whizkids" - if anything, it shows us that any group of people
with time, effort, and no fear of jail can get access to surprisingly
large amounts of sensitive data. Hardly surprising, considering the
quantity and quality of point-and-click "security auditing" applications
on the web. Is this a _good_ thing?
To close this article, consider the striking similarities between
milw0rm and a gang of inner-city youths spraying graffitti. Both groups
want to show the world how skilled they are. Both are motivated from
the inflated self-importance that comes with youth. Both are
participating in juvenile pastimes (an adult hacker would get a systems
admin job; an adult griffiti artist would spray on a canvas and get paid
for it). And the biggest similarity is that after the graffitti is
washed away, and the hacked pages are returned to normal, not one damn
thing changes, no matter what the message was - Presidents and
Parliaments just don't read graffitti.
Thanks for reading, and please just refer to me as Weishaupt - I
don't want my little corner of cyberspace covered in graffitti.
Points well taken. Except for that spelling part. I can't spell worth a damn
either. We can't be good at everything ;-)
I find your stance against the world intellectual property treaty laudable and very correct. It is groups like
yourself that continue to guaruntee consumer rights and freedom. Thank you very much for your effort.
MS Windows98 Support Engineer for Keane, inc.
Well, we've done all that we can as far as this WIPO stuff goes. Let's hope a revised
version gets passed by the house that's a little less, well, "communistic".