rather than start another flame war like i did in
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...0&pagenumber=6
i'll just say two things.

first, Valor, that is a funny ass picture. i have seen it before, but it cracks me up every time i look at it. second, i think what this continuing debate needs is some historical perspective. here is some historical perspective from Pat Buchanan about French motivations:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=31362

before you dismiss Pat Buchanan as a crazy, right-wing neo-nazi (he is far from it), you will notice he is decidedly anti-hawkish if you actually read the whole column.