ANY dumbass skript kiddy can d/l a prog to "Hack" someones machine.. a pro will find it and remove it without needing the"cure" prog or an anti virus.

Easier said then done. I'm tired of hearing bs talk about how it's easier to hack then to prevent a hack. And how its good to advice newbies to download firewalls and antiviruses so that you can look like a cool security guru, but the truth is my friend, that unless you can actually see how it's done, actually do it yourself, all you have at hands is theory and some proggy coded by somebody else. If that's how you claim your security expertise, go ahead. Tell the car industries to stop practicing dummy crash tests, tell the army to stop doing daily drills, tell the pharmaceuticals to stop testing on animals, and tell the newbies to go to google.
People come here with questions, why all the discrimination? If this is a security discussion, both sides have to be discussed.You cannot stop a hacker if you don't understand how they think, how they work, why, when , where and so on.
What the hell do you call a pro? Someone downloading a keylogger cleaner and having a antivirus running ? there are hundreds of ways the attacker could've gotten that keylogger thru. For God's sake, if the guy codes his own logger, then there's a big possibility that most "market made" detecting tools won't work.

So there you go, just like there are tools for hacking, there are tools for security. And I repeat, if that all you guys know, then go ahead...keep sending me pm's, cursing me, negging me. It just shows what kind of security experts come around here.