in my opinion whats worth doing is worth doing well. because lets face it if i tell them that theres a massive flaw in there system...chances are they won't take it seriously. so for a "happy" hacker it's a no win situation. and your right i2c a 2 year old with knowledge of vb6 could pull it off!!!! and thats my point exactly!!! surely their systems engineer could see this or maybe he's using the same flaw against them. for those of you who clearly seemed offended by my thread...my sincere apologies i wasn't tryin to promote illegal stuff. you could say it's just food for thought. "after all how can you defend what you don't understand?" the art of war