According to Trend they are changing their patern file numbering sequence. Sometime down the road if the upgrade is not complete pattern files updates will not be available. I have avoided all patches. Most of the ones I tested (Especially ScanMail) crashed the box. I would usually use my exchange backup server for testing but last week I had a "Really Good Idea" which means I gotta rebuild the thing. So much for trying to use apache for MS webmail - on the same box... End Tangent