Het Ted remember the ol M$ Project site a few years back lets see a bunch of people living in a house in Redmond WA Old Lady, Old Black Man, some 20 somethings gonna live a year on the web do all their shopping live from getting things from the net and wen first thing was a blond...they left me off I do not know what to do oh she was 20 something. Anyway point being it was a marketing ploy all were hired to play a part. This is there was a hole in the browser my home page went from "Blank to MSN (god someone do a bit of humor with shot guns shooting the M$ Butterfly in Flash or something!) and the fix is lame but know what goole tool bar nixed some 2500 pop ups in the last year and MSN is new it is not the pop up's it is the flaw and they along with those mentioned in the links add 6 or seven others now and their tool bar is gonna stop it they set it loose. I just happened to notice only because of events at home and then at work but even getting M$ out of the start page took as much effort as the one today at work serving up the porn and the user did put their product on and I took it off it solved NOTHING! Get em Ted your younger LOL