the http brute forcer is nothing 2 worry about. The program is fine,@and you can dos yourself if you want... hehe snicker. As the article states on their site somebody DOSed the RIAA site, rock on whoever did that. Other good brute forcers are brutus, etc. etc. i reccomend packet storm for a source of programs. Im not intending you to anything illeagal with it, as im assuming your testing your own machines. munga bunga BFer is considered a hacktool for obvious reasons and because its something a `trojan downloader` might download but its not a trojan so ur in good hands. What about this black angel thing? ive been tracing it since it started and it hasnt gotten anywhere, personally i think its bullshit and also munga bunga couldnt arrange the whole thing himself. I believe lord ikon etc. are part of this scheme as well. Munga bunga is sure to give it up soon, and nothing more will be heard of black angel, and that new member isnt worth anything. what do you guys think?