well riot, i do appreciate your advice..... i have given up on my programming for tonight anyway. I guess a brute forcer may have similar code that i could use. I am sorry for being such a ***** but im tired of flames....... that is why i made the post privite.... it was because i thought it had nothing to do with this thread...... thanks for your advice..... i actually didn't think to look for a brute forcer code..... i just wanted to learn how to fill in boxes with visual basic.....

l8r,
nate