Stop the spam, cry spammers

This is really ironic the advertising industy the same guys that you get pop ups from is complaining about spam:rolleyes:

article from vnunet.com

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1136270

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Stop the spam, cry spammers
By Nick Farrell [25-10-2002]
Bulk emailers call for legislation to cut down on junk
Spam has become so bad in the US that even advertisers have admitted that restrictions are needed.

The Direct Marketing Association (DMA), which once opposed any federal anti-spam legislation, says it will now lobby for federal and state laws to control the growth of million-message batches of emails.

A daily flood of spam vexes consumers and internet service providers (ISPs) alike, whose attempts to block it are circumvented by stealthy emailing technology, says the DMA, which has 4,700 members.

Jerry Cerasale, the DMA's vice president for government affairs, told Reuters that the sheer volume would swamp the medium, rendering it useless.

The guidelines proposed by the DMA would prohibit marketers from sending unsolicited emails that use deceptive identifiers, such as false subject lines and return addresses.

Cerasale said marketers should be required to list the physical address and contact information of the business on whose behalf the message is sent. And, he said, a prominent "unsubscribe" option should be available for recipients who wished to halt further mailings.

The DMA supports unsolicited email marketing as long as it targets a certain demographic or interest group - 25 to 35-year-olds or homeowners, for example - and is not merely sent to every email address that can be gathered.

But the Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email (CAUCE) has warned that although the plan "might clear out some of the scam artists" it would probably increase the amount of unsolicited emails sent by legitimate companies.

A CAUCE spokesman said that email marketing should only be done at the recipient's request - or from companies with which the recipient is a customer.

Tom Cowles, who heads Empire Towers, one of the world's largest bulk emailers, has backed the DMA proposal because he believes it will give his business more legitimacy.

He said spammers have been forced to cloak their messages with fake headers and use other deceptive identifiers because anti-spam activists harangue the ISPs who host their businesses.

When the service provider discovers the spam business, the spammer's website is often taken down - and with it disappears the software to remove the recipient from future unsolicited mailings.

Cowles said guidelines should restrict email content while forcing ISPs to host marketers that follow the rules.

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does any one else see the irony

I have no love for people who spam or the anti-spam organizations such as spews or spamhaus. When I worked at an IPP that hosted over 200,000 websites, I spent countless hours dealing with both. It's a pure headache on both ends.

I think the article says it very clearly. The spammers are trying to legitimize and define acceptable spam so that they can stay in business. Rather than the total shotgun approach they want to limit the calibre so they can demonstrate how they adhere to the "law" and are not, therefore, spammers.

It says nothing about the fact that when you ask to be removed your address will be marked as legitimate and sold to hundreds of other "legal" spammers. What they want is to require that they use your demographics to put you into a category to limit the spam coming to you. Wow this would really slow them down, how many different categories can I fit into? Age, Race, Gender, Religion, breathing. Yeah that really limits them.

I like, better, the mention that e-mail should be solicited by me. When I go to a web site or purchase from someone if I want updates there are always offers. That is not spam. The rest you can cook it however you like, cover it and season it but in the end it is still spam.