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Many people seem to believe that:
- being anti-Zionist,
- believing Israel is an illegitimate state,
- disagreeing with the way Israel treats its neighbours and
- disagreeing with the strange, seemingly unshakeable US-Israeli alliance
are forms of anti-Semitism.
I am looking for people's opinions on why the mentioned examples are forms of anti-Semitism.
cos i sayed so...
HI YA BRISSY DOOD
Nightfalls_Girl
If I said that the French or German or Italian states were illegitemate,
You could understand why the members of those nationalities might fail to distinguish
between the concept of being against their states and being against their
people
Israel has been on the map for 55 years. How long does it take to get recognition
from their critics? In the end, it isn't your enemies who decide whether your state
is entitled to exist.
http://www.bartleby.com/66/30/7330.htmlQuote:
The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions ... but by iron and blood.
ATTRIBUTION: Otto Von Bismarck (1815–1898), Prussian statesman. speech, Sept. 30, 1862. Bismarck: Life and Works, vol. 4 (1878).
What else can they do but fight for their survival?, just as the rest of us would
do when our back is to the wall.
:cool:
had a little too much to drink eh?Quote:
HI YA BRISSY DOOD
:cool:
not enuf accuilly...
Brissy is a shourter way of saying brisbane... DARRR
Nightfalls_Girl
Personaly I am sick of Israil hiding behind the antisemite defense. look I have nothing agenst the jewish faith, or people, but I find the israle govement and the "setelers" who streal land at gunpoint dispicable. This dose not make me an antisemite any more then my dislike for bush makes me antiamerican.
Actually I agree with bballad and powertoad (nice to see you again - haven't seen you lately - or have I just been blind??). There was actually a thread started by AFQ yesterday on much the same lines as this i.e. anti Zionist - though one of us felt he was anti semitic (shan't say who).
The creation of Israel was handled particularly badly IMHO, but then I guess with the benenfit of hindsight we can all say that about something. I think the point bballad is making is particularly apt, there are times when folks use the 'you're anti semitic' or 'you're a nazi' defense a little too often. I can't argue this too well at the moment cos I'm at work (supposedly working :) )
rcgreen... yeah Bismarck made that statement - but you'd be suprised at some of the statements Perez or Sharon have been attributed with - I'll see if I can find them later - but they're just as bloody
like everyone else I'd like to say I am also not anti Jewish - in fact technically I am jewish. My great grandmother on my mothers side was jewish and in case you don't know the inheritance runs down the female line. I don't count myself as being jewish because its so far removed from me.
The racist argument is used far too often as a defence - yes sometimes its use is legitimate, however frequently it is not.
Z
It was me, you're not gonna hurt my feelings bro. :)Quote:
though one of us felt he was anti semitic (shan't say who).
glad to hear it bro - never like pointing to someone and saying 'twas them, oh blimey 'twas them..... IMHO I think you were a bit premature in judging AFQ but well I can understand why since his presentation wasn't the best so I ain't holding anything against ya :)Quote:
It was me, you're not gonna hurt my feelings bro. :)
anyway... it's time for me to leave work and go home to the g/f... probably be back later (but since I've had a shitty day I could well be drunk)
Z
Perhaps you're right, I may have jumped the gun a bit.
Discaimer.... sarcasm at work....
Parsonally, I am still pissed that the Norse came down a thousand years ago and took over my blood country (roots) and sacked our villages and raped our woman. The Scandanavians must pay!!!! Jihad!Quote:
"setelers" who streal land at gunpoint dispicable.