The Establishment?

Ok, so we live in a world where - You must obtain your government's permission to travel, both within and without it's borders (driver's license, passports, car registrations, shall I continue?). You must pay a 'bribe' to the government to purchase anything whatsoever, moreso on those things that are considered by the government as 'luxury items' or 'sinful' (sales tax). Your phone is tapped (yes, it is. try saying Bomb, President, and Nuclear in the same sentence in a conversation and note how fast you get checked out). You must pay a bribe to the government to 'continue owning property' (don't pay your taxes for a couple years and see how well you really do own it). Everything you buy is recorded, What you watch on the idiot box (teevee might be the less offensive term) is also recorded, movies you watch, videos you rent, even the radio stations you listen to in your car. Face it folks, we're quite well observed.

Now I read (albeit a month old) a post on how google is watching us. Another (newer one) tells me how Bill Gates wants to know what colour underwear I'm wearing at any given moment. Is it small wonder that living in today's society an 'unmediated' 'unregulated' realm such as the internet would not be VERY tightly observed?

So I read earlier the 'how to' guide on profiling and nailing down hackers. A VERY good read I might add. Although I very much don't like them getting into my net, or the guys down the street, or downing Yahoo! when I want to be there surfing porn, I must respect (those who do it under the right motives that is) their actions and skill. By all means, nail 'em if they're stupid enough to leave tracks! It means less work on us Admin types, and less trash to clean up, plus it makes everyone's world a little more peaceable, and easier to get by in. However, think on it a second... Take the 60's mentality and realize that there's a few of 'em out there that are trying to 'stick it to the man' in the best way they know how. To those few, Salut!

Ok, spyware, adware, trojans of all kinds. Who really cares that fred's marketing company knows I'd prefer to walk through Central Park wearing only lime jello and reading this month's penthouse magazine? Long as I'm not doing it in front of anyone else, am I really doing wrong? Shoot, maybe they'll even cut me a coupon for bulk discount on the jello...

Our Government you say? Freedom? Protection? ok. I refer you to the first two paragraphs of this dissertation. Oh, Cap tips to you vets out there and no offense intended - I'm one too. I'll show ya the bronze star I won killing Iraqis over oil if you'd like to see it. In the meantime, I'll continue surfing, and helping fix probs here if y'all don't neg me to death over this...

Sorry, my 2 centavos worth tends to buy a lot sometimes, and I love to ramble when upon my soap box.
Be Well!

As long as the state exists there can be no freedom, I think Lenin said that...:)

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Ok, so we live in a world where - You must obtain your government's permission to travel, both within and without it's borders (driver's license, passports, car registrations, shall I continue?).

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Have you ever heard of people that do not have drivers license? How do they travel? I can travel anywhere within the continental US without permission? So yes, please continue.

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Everything you buy is recorded, What you watch on the idiot box (teevee might be the less offensive term) is also recorded, movies you watch, videos you rent, even the radio stations you listen to in your car.

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I don't have cable, so please explain how they record what I watch from my crappy t.v. antenna combo. Again, please explain how they know what I am listening to on the radio in my vehicle. I am curious. :confused:

I love it when people respond to my bait. :cool: Ok, let me continue a bit - first, Travel

Yes, you don't have to have a drivers license, nor a license of any kind, but let the local Police (read as 'under educated rednecks with a gun and an attitude) catch you driving, and off to jail you go. Trains? Busses? Planes you say? Ok, you pay for tickets to ride on those, right? They're recorded, who bought what ticket when and where you're going. Yep, you're pretty thoroughly watched. Local travel only me boyo, as fast as your two legs will carry you. I suppose one *could* walk from one end of the country to the other, but that'd take quite a bit of money, time, and effort, not to mention these Podunk Nazis (see also Police, above), pestering one for vagrancy... :eek:

Now, onto car radio, and non-cable idiotboxes (read TeeVee). Let us first understand that nearly ALL radio today is 'piped in' from 'remote broadcast' - this means they're using hispeed to download the music and rebroadcast it across their nets. For those few remaining (and believe me, they're very few) privately owned radio stations, (and any and all TeeVee stations just to blanket that end too) ALL media must be reported to Uncle Sugar (read Our Government, yes, the one that's 'by the people, of the people, and for the people') before it is broadcast, in its entirety. Part of the FCC's licensing regulations - they *do* check btw. Oh. did I also mention that basic electronics teaches us that any 'receiver' also emits certain bandwidths on transmission? Is it really hard to have the equipment to reach out and catch those emissions? The FCC's been doing it for years. So has the NSA for that matter. Now let's reach into a bit 'newer' tech to discover what the NSA's up to in recent years --- I introduce you now (if you haven't heard of it already) to a nifty lil device our 'security agency' has purchased that can read the magnetic emissions off your idiot box and monitors THROUGH THE WALLS OF YOUR HOME. Since there is no intrusion into your home, there is no invasion of privacy (although our 'right to privacy' is in itself a fiction - read your constitution and I challenge you to show it to me there anywhere). Unlike legislated phone tapping, this device is unregulated, and can be (is) used to find 'probable cause' in criminal cases. Just imagine what other nifty information they can gain from it - where you surf and when, what shows you like to watch on your idiot box, the works. Curiously enough, mass media (read salesmen) haven't seem to have adapted this new tech yet - at least I don't see 50 of them standing outside my door with said device...perhaps via satellite?

However, all that wasn't the point I was trying to make - My point, singularly and solely, was "We're observed anyways. Who really cares at this point, and why are we fussing over the petty stuff when our government's been doing it for years anyway?"

Side to the Moderators: Should I have posted this in Philosophy instead of here? Thanks from the Noob.

Hope that expanded enough for you.
Be Well!

Edit from Mrs |3lack|ce - Government Identification is required for all forms of travel within the US. Any checkwriting must be accompanied by a Government photo ID, and all the businesses in the US use advertising, which is also regulated, moderated, and otherwise observed by your Government. She'd also like me to mention 'security cameras' that are everywhere, but we shan't delve further since it'd take all day (shall I mention the Super Bowl arrests now, or wait till questioned further?)

I'm gonna say one thing. If someone raped your sister wouldn't you want ot know who it was? It just happens a camera caught the rapist...I am pretty sure you'd want to find out who did it..(shall I continue?)

OH no another thread about big brother watching us...who give a ****, let him watch...i'm pretty sure they like my taste in pr0n.

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Any checkwriting must be accompanied by a Government photo ID,

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No **** genious...so the person who's receiving the check knows that it is actually YOUR check and not a stolen one...

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She'd also like me to mention 'security cameras' that are everywhere, but we shan't delve further since it'd take all day

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I'm very sorry the cameras are everywhere...too bad you cant masturbate in an ATM room anymore...sheesh!


As for the TVs and Radios...they need to be monitored...or else how would you figure out the ratings? Does it really bother you that someone knows what movie you're watching? Seriously...is this some kind of joke ?

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Side to the Moderators: Should I have posted this in Philosophy instead of here? Thanks from the Noob.

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Philosophy? HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH...BWAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA :D phew...that was a good laugh.



OK LETS GO BACK TO YOUR FIRST POST:

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You must pay a 'bribe' to the government to purchase anything whatsoever, moreso on those things that are considered by the government as 'luxury items' or 'sinful' (sales tax).

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Yes....unless you want your income tax higher to pay for schools, military, and anything else that needs to be paid for.

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Your phone is tapped (yes, it is. try saying Bomb, President, and Nuclear in the same sentence in a conversation and note how fast you get checked out).

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God I hope so....I wouldn't want someone Nuking the president and the whitehouse...or anything in the country I live in.

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You must pay a bribe to the government to 'continue owning property' (don't pay your taxes for a couple years and see how well you really do own it).

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Yah...why not? Read back the example with schools, military etc.

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Everything you buy is recorded, What you watch on the idiot box (teevee might be the less offensive term) is also recorded, movies you watch, videos you rent, even the radio stations you listen to in your car. Face it folks, we're quite well observed.

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Everything I buy is recorded? umm...no. The Food that I buy is not recorded...unless I pay with a CC which will be on the receipt. TV stations need Ratings...thats how they work....OH NO SOMEONE KNOWS WHAT I"M LISTENING TO ON THE RADIO! QUICK HIDE!
Quite frankly more people than my government know what music I listen to, they can hear it from the windows cuz its pretty loud most of the time.

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Now I read (albeit a month old) a post on how google is watching us. Another (newer one) tells me how Bill Gates wants to know what colour underwear I'm wearing at any given moment. Is it small wonder that living in today's society an 'unmediated' 'unregulated' realm such as the internet would not be VERY tightly observed?

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Well sure why not? You wouldn't want to know if someone was searching google for "HOW TO NUKE THE PRESIDENT?" or "Kiddy porn"?
If you don't like google cuz its being monitored...yahoo, MSN, excite, altavista are always there in addition to hundreds of other search engines.

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Ok, spyware, adware, trojans of all kinds. Who really cares that fred's marketing company knows I'd prefer to walk through Central Park wearing only lime jello and reading this month's penthouse magazine? Long as I'm not doing it in front of anyone else, am I really doing wrong? Shoot, maybe they'll even cut me a coupon for bulk discount on the jello...

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Ad-ware, spybot S&D, spywareblaster....etc?

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Our Government you say? Freedom? Protection? ok. I refer you to the first two paragraphs of this dissertation. Oh, Cap tips to you vets out there and no offense intended - I'm one too. I'll show ya the bronze star I won killing Iraqis over oil if you'd like to see it. In the meantime, I'll continue surfing, and helping fix probs here if y'all don't neg me to death over this...

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I doubt you are a vet...you'd be a bit smarter than this. First gulf war or second? The first one was to liberate Kuwait....so wtf are you bitching about? I'm sorry but I don't see my life being affected in any way...I still Enjoy the same liberties I did since I came to the United States and my life is quite enjoyable. I really don't see wtf you're bitching and whinning about.

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Edit from Mrs |3lack|ce - Government Identification is required for all forms of travel within the US.

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How in the hell do you figure i have to have a government ID to travel anywhere in the united states? If your going to say stupid sh*t like that please provide an explanation for what you are saying. I can walk into any greyhound/amtrak station in the country and hand over the cash for the ticket and hop on a bus/train and go anywhere. And gues what. I am never asked to show my ID once. I have traveled to aprox 30 of the contiguous 48 states (that excludes alaska and hawii) and no been requiered to show ID at any state lines.

Ive got a much better forum for you to post to if you honestly feel this way. check out http://www.abovetopsecret.com that seems like its more up your alley. Its people like you that make the rest of the world loose respect for this country. If you dont like it leave. Goto albania or some other country like that. See how much better you like it.

*cackling* Flame away guys. "Love it or leave it" has always been my creed as well. CyberId, read the first post once again. Realize that I'm originally fussing about folks being overparanoid about spyware and google, and in support of the 'free, unmoderated' internet. I don't agree that the observation is always necessary, but never once did I say it was completely unnecessary. Where is the line drawn, who draws it, and who watches those doing the drawing?

Vet, yes, I am. Operations Desert Shield/Storm, US Navy. I don't necessarily agree with what you say, but I fought proudly to defend your right to say it, and have the little piece of paper proving I was there. Where's your dd-214?

Zombieman - check the Patriot act again.

Have a nice day, flame away boys, this was my last on this (dead horse) thread.

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Vet, yes, I am. Operations Desert Shield/Storm, US Navy. I don't necessarily agree with what you say, but I fought proudly to defend your right to say it, and have the little piece of paper proving I was there. Where's your dd-214?

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I am not a vet. Unfortunately the loss of my father last year prevented my from joining the Marines, and now I have to take care of my family. I am 20 years old. I am greatful to all the vets who put their lives in danger to preserve freedom...and I hope you don't assume I think otherwise. I do not have a dd-214...but I sure do hope you DON"T think you're better than me or anyone else just because you've served. Sorry, not everyone can become a veteran.

Its not about flaming you...its about showing you the light...

As for the Patriot Act...either you learn from your history and adapt or you risk another 9/11. Thats all I have to say about it.

Good day.