God Vs. God

I figure today is a good day to ruffle some feathers. Here goes...

What is up with this "My God is better than your God" bulls**t? People have had this syndrome since the beginning of history. More blood has been spilt in the Crusades, Inquisition, holocaust, ethnic cleansing, and now this jihad s**t than any other conflicts. And why? Just because some fool thinks their god is the "one true god." Has anyone ever wondered if all these gods from all these different religions could be one in the same? How do we know how to worship? How the world started? What will happen when we die? A holy book written by man... And we all do know that man is faluable. Really, if you think about it, why would the "one true God" show his/her self to one geographical location and then leave the rest of the world out of the loop letting them come up with their own ideas? With that said, why do people insist on "saving" other peoples souls when they are actually worshiping the same thing, but only in their own way? Maybe we should learn to accept other religions--both the positive and negative aspects. Maybe then we could understand the true meaning of religion--real spirituality.

Not even I will touch this one, you're just asking for trouble.

they've been ruffeled already:

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...761#post504114

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Originally posted here by fallenstar
, why do people insist on "saving" other peoples souls when they are actually worshiping the same thing, but only in their own way?

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I could go into this for hours upon hours, but to answer one of you questions swiftly.....

We do this, because in in the Holy Bible it states VERY clearly that there is but one way to have a relationship with God the Father. And thats through Jesus Christ. We belive that only after accepting Jesus as the Son of God, that we can be with the Father. At that point we are to follow the techings of Jesus Christ.

If we all followed these, the way he wanted us to, we wouldnt have HOLY wars.

1. Be Ye Kind to one another.
2. Love thy neighbor as thyself.
3. Judge not, lest YE be judged.
4. Turn the other cheek.
5. Love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, body, and soul.
6. Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.
7. There is no greater gift than for a man to lay down his life for a freind.

Another thing Jesus was all about was the fact that the gentiles(non-jews) had no saviour. Jesus came to save us all. He said this....and so did alot of people...

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

I would like to see some of our Jewish and Muslim members speak up and kinda sum up their philosophy as well.

Different names. Allah. God. Another one. And another one. ;) different people call God different names. Whether you are Catholic, Muslim, Protistant, Johava's Witness, Baptist, whatever; God is the same God.


Some people think they have to be Baptist or they have to be Muslim or else hell for them. I believe that as long as you believe in God, you are entitled to being whatever you want to be for God gave free will; and if you use that will wisely and not disrespect God by becomming a Satanist or an Athiest then you are doing his will.


Regards,
Silentstalker

Its all a matter of having faith in something, anything really, just so we don't feel like we are alone in the world. Sometimes its better to be spiritual, and not religious, becaues most religions are interepreted by man, and over time change with human influence. Pretty much to each his own, because we all have to make our own peach with which ever diety/dietys we choose.

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Nay, we have still stronger evidence of the proposition for which I now contend, viz.,that a sense of Deity is naturally engraven on the human heart, in the fact, that the very reprobate are forced to acknowledge it. When at their ease, they can jest about God, and talk pertly and loquaciously in disparagement of his power; but should despair, from any cause, overtake them, it will stimulate them to seek him, and dictate ejaculatory prayers, proving that they were not entirely ignorant of God, but had perversely suppressed feelings which ought to have been earlier manifested.

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http://www.smartlink.net/~douglas/ca....html#four.htm
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God is not a fool. He is patient, but he does keep score. The thing that
ought to worry us is that he will not obey us, or live up to our expectations,
he's so stubborn, and insists on doing things his way.

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And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

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http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/k...DIV1&byte=1477
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Eveyone knows Zeus is the best god.

I'm very curious as to the other point of view. I believe that some people are not posting because they are afraid of being negged. Personally, I will not neg anyone that has a differing view (only if your post is stupid :p) My purpose of this post is to learn a little.

(Sorry to those that hate people mentioning APs in posts but I thought it was necessary)

I personally believe we all believe in one God, but we just worship him/her in different ways.

I dunno, the thought of God keeping a point tally is kinda strange. How do we know we're in the clear? If only God had a point center online to check how we are doing ~.~

Though, I don't believe God keeps score. Just my opinion.

Take care,

::Chelle::

In the words of the great comedian George Carlan(Excuse the spelling if it's wrong),"The greatest method of control any man has utilized against another man is instilling the belief of an invisible man in the sky who will throw you down into a pit of fire to burn for eternity if you don't follow his rules."

No offense to any religious people in AO,but that whole thing sounds rather primative to me.

gghornet
So I take it that you do not believe in a higher power? I didn't grow up in a religious family but I always had a feeling that there was something out there. Do you not feel that?

gghornet thats how many pictue divinity, a big punk in the sky...strange!

i believe is god..dont really have a religeon...never went to churchbut once with my grandma...like i said i believe in god but i also believe that the earth could have been made thro sience and all the the transforming and that stuff....so.... i kinda think one man fight another man over who has the best imaginary friend is kinda dumb...

Black-Mage21

god this god. sit back and think. if god were such a powerful being, why and the hell would he create such an inferior planet, inferior beings? why? just to worship him/her? btw he/she supposdedly created the whole "gender thing" which is why i will refer to god as it from now on. IT decides that IT wants to create something? why... why.. there is no reason. all we are here for is to die. and to worship IT in most religions. there is no reason for us to be here.. i mean you can semantisize all you want about how the forces between good and evil etc.. but is that all we are? pawns in the game called life? herm... makes me wonder how the genius's of our world didnt believe in god. only the ones that needed security in there lives because they were scared of the stories. the stories being what the ppl compiled into the so called bible that tells you you have to be a slave on earth to an unknown person up in the sky that created you......... just doesnt make a damn bit of since. it is indeed. the opium of the ppl.

In the good words of Homer Simpson:
"All hail Kanish!"

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This is my outlook on the subject::
No matter what we do the only way to figure out the true meaning of god and/or gods is to die......The only way that anyone will ever know the truth about any of these things is if they died and came back to life, so whats the point in trying to figure out the answer in all of these questions when all of us know in our minds that it is impossible to tell if these "gods" are realistic or if it is just a place to put hope so that you don't have to think about putting some effort into actually doing the work......we place false hope into these "gods" and pray that as long as you are loyal to your god everything in life and/or after life will be just peachy kean and you will live in a happy place with no worries.......everyone will take this differently but just think about it for a while do some fricken studying on it if you want, but the only truth that you can give me that a god actually exists is that of the bible....whos to say that the bible is even real? maybe its just something that was faked to give hope and to lead people to believe in something thats not there. this is just my own opinion and hopefully no one takes it the wrong way but thats the way i feel....take it how you take it..............

Anyone can think their way out of believing that there is no God, but no one has said they don't feel that there is a higher power. I will save my explanation for logically understanding that there is a God for a later post. I do have one piece of evidence that there is a God though... why are there so many colorful animals out there? If we were to go with evolution all animals would be brown or green. Yes it's said that some colors are considered "warning colors" but what about the colors between that? My thought is that God is an artist.

I also believe there's just one god, but we worship him different ways, but we also take his taughts differently, because some religions beliefs are others sins.
But in the essence, what's really important, everything is just the same

It's not God vs. God, but man vs. man. The many differences in worship that man has created are amazing. They are also apalling because some who do not truly worship God use these differences as an excuse to hate others. Anyone who hates another is not a true child or disciple of God regardless if he calls himself Jew, Christian, or Moslem.

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.. i say we all rush the pentagon, pull out guns and grab the intercom. my first words would be i believe man made god, hows the ignorance feel? if got made man why the hell would he put us here.. i thought he's supposed to be the all lovin' the same god who let hitler put the jews in the oven, we dont fall for the regular ****, they try to feed us all this half assed leadership flippin position, they turn politician and shut the hell up followin tradition.
-- Dead Prez - propaganda

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couldnt have said it much better myself.

God Vs. God
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God Vs. God
Today 06:39 PM I hate how christians judge, tell you how to live your OWN life, hide crimes behind their religion ie- pedophillia, crimes against humanity..

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Today 06:39 PM Oh come on be quiet already.. quit ya preachin'.

Its ironic when we open a topic for discussing God, and I get negged for "preaching"...

Perhaps because it was supposed to be about God, and not preaching any one particular creed or religion. You're entitled to your opinions(you shouldn't have been negged for them), but perhaps you were too forceful. But so are other people. I think people need to stop saying stuff like"Oh my religion is better than yours," and stuff like that. If one needs to put down someone else's faith in order to feel comforted in their own, then their faith is meaningless.

Hi,

A few verses from the Bible:

Hebrews 1:1-4:
"Long ago God spoke to our ancestors in many and various ways by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he also created the worlds. He is the reflection of God's glory and the exact imprint of God's very being, and he sustains all things by his powerful word. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs."

I believe, as the above passage teaches, that Jesus Christ is the ultimate revelation of God to humanity. The eternal God chose to enter time at a particular place, at a particular time, and through a particular person, His Son Jesus Christ. Through a stroke of Divine genius, God made Himself known to us by becoming one of us. He came in person, and became a human Person, both fully God and fully man. I don't think all religions are equal. We are not all worshiping the same God. What you believe about God really does matter. Some people in India, I understand, have drowned their babies in the Ganges river to appease their gods. That is not my God. Buddhism teaches that we must extinguish our passions (correct me if I'm wrong). That is not my God. My God is a passionate Person, who pursues us in love and want us to pursue Him. Muslims teach that we must reach God through our good works. That's not my God. My God chose to come down to Earth and give Himself as the one and only sacrifice for our sins. "For it is by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God and not of works, so that no one may boast." (Ephesians 2:8) New Agers believe that we are all gods. But I am not my God. My God is my God. He made me, but He is not me. He made the world, but He is not the world. "He was is the beginning, and all things were made through Him, and without Him was not made anything that was made." Judaism teaches that there is a God. That I agree with, but along with the Jewish writers of the New Testament who came to accept Jesus Christ as the fullest revelation of God. The Old Testament reveals God, but it also points to the ultimate revelation of God in his Son Jesus Christ. The Old Testament sacrifices pointed to the "Lamb slain before the foundation of the world." Jesus is the final sacrifice for sin. If we reject Him, "there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries: (Hebrews 10: 2nd half of verse 26, 27).

Let me ask this question: "How can everyone be right about God when our different beliefs about God conflict with one another and are at times, mutually exclusive?"

er0k, you know that I have a great deal of respect for you, and your opinion, tho different from mine, does nothing to diminish that fact. I will, however, ask that you humor my request and research this subject a bit more. You will find that there is archealogical data that tends to pretty well confirm the validity of the good book. If you can find "The Bible as a History" you will even get to see an actual photo of 'manna'.

On the subject of the creation of man, we were not created exclusivly to worship God. We were also created to take stewardship of the earth...perfect beings created to live forever in paradise. However, when Adam and Eve took into themselves the forbidden fruit (an act of free will), they pretty well screwed the whole scenario up. Read up on the subject and keep an open mind....I'm not preaching at you my friend...not my style. I'm just trying to appeal to that inquisitive nature of yours that I admire so much. ;)

To me god is in great numbers..
Chaos.

If you take a lot of attoms and a lot of time.. you get life..
not only here evrywhere..
To me the eternal god... is just the vastness of the universe and time.. The size of it all...

not the "invisible man in the sky"

not even now with our gigaherz computers will we ever come close to calculating all the possible chemical ellements and combinations formed in one second annywhere in the universe..

So how could we mere men ever grasp the concept of god.. and put it in a book of a mere (how manny??) pages..

Do not you think that if you'd rewrite the book a couple of times.. the repressentation of such a HUGE thing in such a small book would change evry time you rewrite... From talmut to bible to koran...

This was just MHO

I have to go with Jinx on this one.What is a "god" or a "higher power"?What makes humans so naive to think that anything that "created" us would be in our image when there's billions of different life forms on our planet alone,more or less the entire universe.

It seems pretty simple to me.Energy can neither be created nor destroyed.Therefore nothing ever truely dies.Whether or not once your body dies your energy eventually creates a new one I don't know,because in order to know that we'd have to know the origin of conciousness and the ability and desire to make choices,I don't see anything that would prevent it though.I don't even know that it is all really chaos,because if man is ever able to look through the vast number of different particles and find the origin of matter or even energy itself I'd say it's probably an extremely simple thing.
I think the universe is a never ending recyceling plant.Even if it keeps expanding,life as we know it may not be around,but life is energy and will always be.

Muhammad (founder of islam) called Jesus a prophet of god (don't go into semantics

about the name).

Just an interesting tidbit I thought you'd want to know.

this is a very interesting thread!

i was raised a lutheran and attended church regularly. i read the bible from cover to cover several times. catechism, etc. i was in the choir and an altar boy for a while. i was the chaplain for my boy scout troup. i was inquisitive, so i tried other religions to see what they were about. so i experimented with catholicism, greek and russian orthodox, baptist, so many variations of christianity i cant even remember them all now, unitarian, buddhism, confusionism, shintoism and finally came upon zoroastrianism.

from what i read of zoroastrianism, it was one of the first religions ever to be created, in the cradle of civilization, the current holy land. zoroastrianism had the same creation story, the same flood story, in fact quite a lot of the old testament was eerily similar to christian belief. the religion was created by the ruler at the time, zoroaster, essentially to give him divine right to the throne. (almost the same as what happened in egypy with the pharoahs claiming son of ra) zoroaster became the "jesus" figure in this religion, minus the crucifiction, of course. but what really interested me was this religion's effect through the rest of time.

i conducted much research into the "history" of the bible and was surprised that most of the bible's miracles could be scientifically or historically explained. for example, moses parting the waters was figurative. moses knew that at this certain place at a certain time along this portion of the waters, they receeded and made quite a capable walking area. at the same time, the ground was way to moist to support horses, cannons and the like. so moses and his people were able to escape, essentially during low tide and as the enemy attempted a pursuit, they sunk. please excuse my lack of detail, as its been a while since i've even discussed this.

about this time, the pastor at the lutheran church i went to noticed my lack of faith and we began discussing things. i asked questions, he attempted to answer. over time, the quality of the answers sounded like an echo. faith. that was all this religion really depended on. blind faith. i was never one to believe something that couldnt be proven, so i was at a loss.

a lot of the morals and values in the bible are very valid. it still has some great lessons to be learned. and i will still admit that jesus was a very enlightened man, though i do not believe he is the physical son of a sentient god up in the sky, he became the figurative "god's" son by living life the way he did. educating people in a way of life that drastically differed from the current lifestyle of decadence, gluttony and murder for entertainment. at the time, a person like that was muich needed.

woah. i went off there... : )

here's my personal religious opinion, since it's a little different than others:

i consider myself a taoist. meaning. i dont believe in "god" as most do. there is no sentient all powerful being in the sky. my "god" is the universe. the same essense of every molecule in the universe is also part of us. we are everything, and thus nothing.

consider: newton claims that matter is neither created or destroyed, only changed. thus, as we touch something, breath on something, shake hands, etc. we pass along a part of ourselves to the object that is touchced. atoms are transferred, regardless of how small. that object, person, air is now part of you. you then travel millions of miles to touch mountains, plains, deserts and everyone else in the world.

ok that was a very simplified version of what i believe, but i have to get back to work... lol. thanks for listening with an open mind.

Well guys all I can say is I have great comfort in the sense that it does not matter how bad it goes, how poor you maybe,what your state of health is, what people think of you etc...etc.
The good news for me as a Christian is that I know in my heart and soul that one day this would all be gone and everything will be equal and well.I think that is something to look forward to and comfort you in bad times, and just as importent praise him for what we already receive no questions asked.

regards
v/man:)

Hmm.... it seems my antipoint center matches my eyes.....(Red)

If you will notice my original post, it was answering a question.

The Question was, "why do people insist on "saving" other peoples souls when they are actually worshiping the same thing, but only in their own way

I told him EXACTLY why the Christians do that. I even made a lil summary of it all. Excuse me for having an understanding of my faith. To me, all of creation screams of his existence.

PS> to the individual who negged me saying... what about the koran? If you acctually read the post, you will see where i asked our Islamic, and jewish members to speak up.

I started reading this thread, dreading the AP war that I knew was going to follow.

I found myself reading DrToker's post and hovering over the assign antipoints button, fingers itching to say something nasty. But I stopped. The thought came to me, asking, "What right do I have to say that?" Who died and made me God, so to speak. It's his opinion. I don't agree with it, but that still doesn't give me the right to tell him he's wrong.

Those of you that hang out in IRC might already have heard me talk about my faith. For those than haven't, here's a synopsis.

My faith teaches a respect for all life, regardless of whether it is icky, or I don't personally like it, or whether I agree with it. It teaches a respect for all paths, for who are we to judge? I do not personally believe DrToker's statement that Jesus is the only path to God, but I can't prove him wrong. I've been told by members of his faith that I'm a evil whore that is going to burn in hell. Maybe they're right, but do they have the right to tell me that?

My faith teaches the existance of the Is. In order to understand the Is down through the ages, man has assigned it characteristics to make it understandable to our tiny little brains. This is where we get the early "God of Fire", and "God of Rain". As we have evolved, so have our Gods. The Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, they all worshipped pantheons of Gods. Zeus, Demeter etc. My personal believe is that they came up with the different Gods and Goddesses because there are so many different things in our world. If we are created in Their image, then there certainly must be more than one of Them, right?

Then along came early Christianity. Place yourself for a moment in their society. Male-centered and controlled. Women were worth less than the livestock and wheat. To create a single male God makes sense to them.

All of these paths are merely our way of trying to explain the Is. No one is better than the other.

My faith is a polytheistic, nature-based revival of the pagan faiths of old. Some call us Wiccans, some neo-pagans, and others call us witches. (And no, before you ask, I can't make your girlfriend fall in love with you and I don't fly around on a broom, just a 757.)

Anyway, I think I've babbled enough. That's my theory on Divinity.

-Keisha

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I do not personally believe DrToker's statement that Jesus is the only path to God, but I can't prove him wrong.

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Fortunatley it was not Dr Toker's statement. It was Jesus Christ's statement. I was just telling you what he said.

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I've been told by members of his faith that I'm a evil whore that is going to burn in hell. Maybe they're right, but do they have the right to tell me that?

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These members of the faith were obviously mislead by some denomination, or by themselves.
Because Jesus said that we should not judge others. That job is for the Father.

Do they have the right? No, but they do have an obligation to spread the gosple of Jesus.

Maybe thats what they were trying to do.... however I know Jesus didnt tell the harlot that she was a whore, He told the people around her getting ready to stone her, " Let he who is perfect cast the first stone." They all left her alone.

Like I was saying, if the christian church ACCTUALLY FOLLOWED the teachings of Jesus, we would be alot better off.

Hmmmm...Whether the Jesus of theology actually said any of that stuff is left to be seen.
(shrugs)
To each his own.

::Chelle::

It's ****ing simple. There has never been a better way of controlling the masses then through religon and christianity. "You either behave and be a good little boy or you'll fry in hell for eternity. Oh, and you better donate a fair share of your wage too....And don't forget your children, we LOVE children......."


I think it was best said by Seneca The Younger (circa 4 B.C.E - 65 C.E)

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Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
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Dr Toker ( Your handle implies the use of drugs...not very christian) you can live how ever you want. The part that really pisses me off is "we have a duty to spread the gospel of Jesus.." I don't knock on your door forcing my way of life onto you....don't do it to me.

I know I said I wouldn't touch this one. And I'll admit, it's because I didn't want to get negged. But I did anyway for posting without giving an opinion. Oh, I really wish you hadn't asked for my opinion, because I have a policy about opinions and ass-kickings, and that is if you ask for it, then I have to give it to you...


As I have stated in COUNTLESS other similar posts (another reason I didn't say anything here at first) I am an athiest. For those of you not up on your prefixes, It means I don't believe in God. This thread illustrates one of the MANY reasons why. The varying views on god not only convince me there is nothing in which to believe, but also condemn one another to an eternity of hell.

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1st commandment: Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

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Let me ask this question: "How can everyone be right about God when our different beliefs about God conflict with one another and are at times, mutually exclusive?" ~preacherman481

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for once, preacherman, you and i are on the same page. Ask ten different people about God you get ten different answers. The bible says in many places and in many ways both that you can't know God, and that preaching falsley about him is a sin. What kind of God condemns 99.9 percent of his followers to eternal damnation? OK OK OK, i know most of you belive that isn't true, but some do, and what makes you any more right than them? what makes your opinion more valid than theirs? they say you're going to hell, you say they're going to hell, who cares? and besides... why is there a bible?

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"I read about an Eskimo hunter who asked the local missionary priest, 'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?' 'No,' said the priest, 'not if you did not know.' 'Then why,' asked the Eskimo earnestly, 'did you tell me?' "Annie Dillard, Pilgrim at Tinker Creek, 1974

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and why is accurate translation of it so crucial to how we spend eternity?

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"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes." - Gene Roddenberry

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thanks again CK for the quotes, here's one more for you.

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Religion has convinced millions of people that there's an invisible man, who lives up in the sky, and he has these little rules for you to follow, and if you do you go to heaven when you die, and live in happiness for eternity... but if you don't follow them, the you are sentanced to an eternity of hell, with fire, and burning, and bile, and piss, and suffer forever and ever.... .but he loves you.... he loves you and he NEEDS MONEY!!!!! ~George Carlin

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Originally posted here by Conf1rm3d_K1ll


Dr Toker ( Your handle implies the use of drugs...not very christian) you can live how ever you want. The part that really pisses me off is "we have a duty to spread the gospel of Jesus.." I don't knock on your door forcing my way of life onto you....don't do it to me.

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Well, unfortunatley I dont make the rules, I really dont follow them either, but I will stand up for what know to be true in my heart. The Diciples were martyred for what they belived, im sure I can stand a few negs.

As far as the 'drug use' thing goes.... Yeah, I smoke pot. God will judge me accordingly. Its not your place to point out my sins. But it really makes you sound Christian. LOl

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Originally posted here by Dr Toker

As far as the 'drug use' thing goes.... Yeah, I smoke pot. God will judge me accordingly. Its not your place to point out my sins. But it really makes you sound Christian. LOl

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Perhaps I should become a priest? I couldn't do any worse.....and I could do with the money!


And as for your smoking pot I think thats the one decent thing about you. It takes you away from that "brain washed Christian" (let me guess, Daddy's an evangilist) category and gives you a little normality.. ;)


Anyway, I'm through arguing with you Christians. No, I'm not admitting defeat. It's just pointless. It's like bashing your head against a wall. All you get is a headache and a hell of a lot of hypocrisy....such as a drug smoking Christian...Praise the Lord!

God created us for probably a few reasons.

• He was bored.
• He wanted somebody to love Him
• Nobody around to respect/look up to Him, and he is God afterall...*ponders*

Hrm... maybe God was just bored, and in a few years he'll wipe the slate and start over again with a smarter/more versitile/less abnoxious and arrogant species. Sorry to think, but we may simply be the Beta Version of the human race, followed by Version1.0 and completed with the Final Release V2.0 - which would be quite an upgrade, noticing how our world today: sucks.

Maybe God infact isn't "all-powerful" at all! What if he's just some runt God who accidentially ran across some Sprite-Cola bottle caps, turned them, and happened to win the 2nd or 3rd best thing: us. He seems the type of person who's always looking out for His best intrest and nobody elses sometimes,...quite arrogant too if you read the bible or koran (yes, we have both at our house).
"Worship me" he says, "and nobody else! - or live forever in an endless pit of agony and pain"... *sigh*...greedy attention deficit son of a bitch.

What if God has a God or Gods of His own? What if there's a whole race of Beta Version God's out there who have no idea what the **** their doing with us? We just happen to be peons prancing around like little nuts in a jar hoping to God that there is even a God in the first place that actually cares for/about us. And God's God is pissed of at God for making such a lousy universe that our God is even being condemned to a Higher God's hell - making us, regardless of our religion, ****ed up the ass with a few umbrellas and a monkey (unless this Higher God is also looking out for us...lets pray on it, shall we?).

What if God was just exhausted, frustrated, and utterly pissed with everything, and because of a few physics laws he somehow managed to put together, he's unable to commit suicide. He created us out of sheer entertainment,...we're doing such a lousy job at it; it could be why He's complety derived us from His presence. You hear all these stories about people actually communicating, talking, conversing, seeing, witnessing, everything but smelling his bad odor, back in the day. Back when things were still fun and new for Him. But not anymore... I imagine after Him witnessing a few minor disagreements turn into full fledged war were a massive amount of His creation are literally slautered away...well...it's only fun the first few times (try watching "Saving Private Ryan a few dozen times a day, while taking notes and character biographies, and you'll see what I mean).

*Sigh*...or maybe there simply isn't anything at all. It'd be the simplest, fastest, and most secure way of dealing with life. "There isn't anything after this, so lets make the best of it. Lets stop our goddamn useless quarrels and get on with life, for ****'s sake" should be our attitude towards things - but it's not...why you ask? because of that "invisible man, who lives up in the sky, and he has these little rules for you to follow, and if you - you go to heaven when you die, and live in happiness for eternity... but if you don't follow them, then you are sentenced to an eternity of hell, with fire, and burning, and bile, and piss, and suffer forever and ever...but He loves you...He loves you and he NEEDS MONEY!!!!!!" (George Carlin does rule).

/me's head spins after WebCarnage's post..... :)
No I haven't seen Saving Private Ryan, but I have seen Saving Ryan's Privates :D