a 155mm round containing the sarin nerve agent was found hidden in a bag by the side of the road in iraq rigged to detonate. it was one of those which was supposedly destroyed before 1991.
thoughts?
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a 155mm round containing the sarin nerve agent was found hidden in a bag by the side of the road in iraq rigged to detonate. it was one of those which was supposedly destroyed before 1991.
thoughts?
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Interesting. So maybe the weapons inspectors missed a couple of WMD sites? Or perhaps someone placed it there to help validate the war?Quote:
Kimmitt said it appeared that whoever set up the roadside bomb was unaware that it contained the chemicals.
"It was a weapon we believed was stocked from the ex-regime time," Kimmitt said. "It had been thought to be an ordinary artillery shell, set up like an IED. When it exploded, it indicated that it had some sarin in it."
No big surprise.....
As to the conspiracy theory above...... ;) Remember it took Law enforcement and the FBI seven years to capture the guy who bombed the Atlanta Olympics..... And they knew which county in NC he was in......
ok now i just heard in the car on the radio (whoever is filling in for rush - not the band but the conservative) that a second device containing mustard gas was exploded in iraq.
this is all i found on it so far:
"Two weeks ago, U.S. military units discovered mustard gas that was used as part of an IED. Tests conducted by the Iraqi Survey Group and others concluded the mustard gas was "stored improperly," which made the gas "ineffective."
They believe the mustard gas shell may have been one of 550 for which former Iraqi President Saddam Hussein failed to account when he made his weapons declaration shortly before Operation Iraqi Freedom began last year.
Investigators are trying to determine how insurgents obtained these weapons — whether they were looted or supplied.
http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp...9&nav=EyAzNBHW
sarin isn't too hard for any one to obtain, neither is mustard gas. Nor is it overly effective (sarin that is), thas the stuff that the japanese millenial cult used in a crowded subway a few years back, less then spectacular results.....tell me when they have anthrax or something equaly hard to obtain/manufacture.
bballad: As with any of these weapons their effectiveness is directly proportional to the mothod of delivery. If you don't deliver it correctly you get shitty results. With a Sarin type shell the mixing of the two components takes place when the shell is fired and the delivery takes place on impact. If you just blow it up it will be inneffective because the component have not mixed. With the subway incident the delivery method was equally inneffective hence the poor results...... Deliver it correctly and you'll see the expected results.
Well I am keeping an open mind at the moment, two isolated incidents don't really mean anything. We knew they had this stuff, they used them on the Iranians and the Kurds?............Iraq also had a very large army with a high proportion of conscripts and reservists. One round of ammo looks much the same as another to the inexperienced?
I could easily believe that these were storekeeping errors, particularly given the age and poor storage? There are probably dozens if not hundreds of others lying around. Biological and chemical weapons are generally best used fresh, and those are what we are really looking for?
I strongly suspect that anything incriminating was moved to Syria some time ago.
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the dilivery method in the sub way was via spray wit hthe componets premixed...what it comes down to is sarin needs a high concentration to be effective, if you don't stand in the cloud of gas it wont heavily affect you....Mstard is much worse but harder to deploy doubtful if one shell would have had any effect.
Can u get me some...I hate my underqualified teacher.Quote:
sarin isn't too hard for any one to obtain, neither is mustard gas. Nor is it overly effective (sarin that is), thas the stuff that the japanese millenial cult used in a crowded subway a few years back, less then spectacular results.....tell me when they have anthrax or something equaly hard to obtain/manufacture
Delivery and effectiveness aside. We could test the theory about dropping a few shells on a school? Just kidding of course, but you wouldn't do that would you? Why because it's bad. We are talking about Sarin gas, a nerve agent. It does take a large dose to kill you. So what, it's a terror weapon designed to produce mass casualties and strike fear into the enemy. Not to mention it been outlawed by things such as GENEVA CONVENTIONS where; as recently noted in outrage, adhering to that code of conduct is paramount? More important than wining the war it seems, to some.
What one may not understand about Sarin is, you can contract it many ways. Skin contact, where exposed skin will twitch and constrict. Vapor, as noted in the live test some psycho’s did in Japan. One could shell a water supply with contraction being obtained by drinking, or one could contaminate food on the way to a market. What Sarin does is inhibit muscles and glands from shutting down their operation. They just keep going until muscle failure or your own glands kill you. A most likely scenario is the diaphragm, muscle that breaths for you, will fail around a day or so after contacting a decent dosage. A large dosage would take an hour or a few. More likely the real desired would be to terrorize a population into submission. Or in Saddam’s case, his own people.
Sarin is odorless and colorless. A person exposed to a very high dosage will not know for hours unless it is in vapor form. In the mean time he or she can walk around with the stuff all over their clothing and contaminate an entire shopping center, mosque, theatre, unit, or televised beheading. The argument whether it's and effective shell or not is pretty pointless. The issue and concern is, it exists and was setting in wait as part of a roadside trap.
Sarin unlike other nerve agents is very volatile; it can easily evaporate from a liquid to a vapor and expose a massive amount of people to varying degree as it spreads from liquid to vapor form. Small trace amounts over a long period of time would produce the same results of a quick, high dosage concentration. Sarin also takes a while to breakdown, so a repeated shelling of small amounts will add up to the same outcome. It’s nasty ****, not sure how you can argue otherwise.
Wow, one whole can eh? I'm sold! They must have tons of weapons hidden everywhere, and saddam is controling them with his mind... and those weapons of mass distruction that wern't used against the invading colation..... well you know it just makes sense right?
The round was more then likely recently created by a fringe group, and an ammount that small is VERY easy to make.
And it never lead to the point that they found a bundle of these canasters.
Yes, I bet if I accused ANY nation of WMDs, and looked over it for a few years, yeah, I'd proably find somthing. However, it proably was not made by the government.
no not one whole can...less than that, just a couple of liters. one 155mm binary artilery shell. no doubt someone tinkering in their garage.
LOL.... You gotta love those third world Tinkers..... They mess around with a couple of pounds of sand, some camel poop and before you know it they have Sarin....Quote:
no doubt someone tinkering in their garage.
Drakien: Yep... It can happen.... It was an isolated incident... They only made one 155mm shell, in their garage...... And you are [insert number here under twenty five] years old.... Time to grow up..... :rolleyes:
This is a perfect example of why children should only be allowed from parents that have a _positive_ IQ.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/N...366896,00.html
http://www.fas.org/biosecurity/sarin.html
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7050/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin
Flouride, is an easy to get chemical that can eat through concreat, and used in Sarin... just to name one ingrediant.
Care to restate that? It makes no sense, problem is underlined.Quote:
perfect example of why children should only be allowed from parents that have a _positive_ IQ.
Calling me ignorant based on age? I can just as easily call you ignorant based on nationality, ie. you Amercican moron. Take your own bloody advice, kthx.
Yes, those third world tinkerers... it's so hard to get some basic everyday chemicals, but easy to get AKs and other explosives for gorilla warfare...
I could just as easily stroll through America and find someone's basement or bunker filled with guns, because they are so full of fear that is always "in the near future" as predicted by *******s who abuse people for profit*, and then then go "oh look it's a secret american weapon hold!" Does it not make sense that people in Iraq had their own storehouses of weapons? Lets see, they're ruled by an madman, I'd think there would be groups against him, much like the christan Zealots of old... and ofcourse, vigilanties on the madmans side to fight against them.
* = they abuse fear by selling books, a clasic example would be the author of the book "5/5/2000" or better yet the y2k software...
.... ps. "a couple pounds of poop" is where Anthrax came from, and scared people into buying mass ammounts of tape that would do abso-****ing-lutly nothing incase of an attack.
He called your parents ignorant, not you EYY.Quote:
Care to restate that? It makes no sense, problem is underlined.
Calling me ignorant based on age? I can just as easily call you ignorant based on nationality, ie. you Amercican moron. Take your own bloody advice, kthx
Care to restate that? It makes no sense, problem is underlined.Quote:
gorilla warfare ...
BTW...here's the link to Canada's #1 Terrorist Organization
Canadian Counter-Terrorist forces are valiantly fighting their remarkably equiped and armed enemy. Their leader, koko, was recently spotted purchasing new weapon systems.
Please stop talking. Since when do gorilla's fight with AKs? They **** on their hands and they throw it at you.
You continue to show your ignorance represented by your age. Please, discontinue arguing and go to your mommy so she can teach you some manners EY. Shows that you seriously don't know ****.Quote:
I could just as easily stroll through America and find someone's basement or bunker filled with guns, because they are so full of fear that is always "in the near future" as predicted by *******s who abuse people for profit*, and then then go "oh look it's a secret american weapon hold!" Does it not make sense that people in Iraq had their own storehouses of weapons? Lets see, they're ruled by an madman, I'd think there would be groups against him, much like the christan Zealots of old... and ofcourse, vigilanties on the madmans side to fight against them.
* = they abuse fear by selling books, a clasic example would be the author of the book "5/5/2000" or better yet the y2k software...
.... ps. "a couple pounds of poop" is where Anthrax came from, and scared people into buying mass ammounts of tape that would do abso-****ing-lutly nothing incase of an attack.
People actually died from anthrax...you'd be scared shitless too if your neighbor died because of white powder he received in the mail.Quote:
ps. "a couple pounds of poop" is where Anthrax came from, and scared people into buying mass ammounts of tape that would do abso-****ing-lutly nothing incase of an attack.
If you were just a tad more intelligent, you'd realise that even mixing Ammonia and Bleach inside a 155mm shell when fired...it can be very easily turned into a WMD......WMDs don't necessarily refer to Nukes.
i dont know or care how old you are you display your ignoance well for any age...the guy that said that is a brit.Quote:
Calling me ignorant based on age? I can just as easily call you ignorant based on nationality, ie. you Amercican moron. Take your own bloody advice, kthx.
Drakain Zeil
Do you realize that you live in a country that is now allowing sharia law to be implemented outside the court system. You know female circumcision, cutting off hands, stoning, beating wifes etc.
The Latest Al Qaeda manual states, “Canada is a target because they are a Christian country”. You are number five on their list. What do you have to say about that?
Maybe you are just to ignorant to realize what is going on in your own back yard.
One last thing. There are thousands upon thousands of shells (new & old) that the inspectors must go through. It will take years for them to complete their task. If Saddam actually followed the Geneva Convention he would have marked all biological and chemical shells with proper markings. Then again according to his (Saddam) decree about WMD to the UN. It said that he never developed sarin nerve gas, but developed VX gas and all of the VX units where destroyed. (VX is what expert's think he used against Iran and the Kurds)
Peace.
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speaking of the kurds. maybe some need to be reminded who it is were fighting here. its a shame that all the young get to here are the lies of the left. this is how iraqies deal with their own.
http://bluestarbase.org/images/kurd_gassing.gif
<*Warning* this is very graphic>
http://bluestarbase.org/images/wmd_proof.gif
In 1995, Hussein admitted to the UN that Iraq had started producing Sarin in 1984, and admitted to possessing 790 tons of the agent... That's what's in his "decree", not that he never produced it... The report to the UN mentions that all Sarin had been destroyed since, not that they never produced it... He even admitted to having used it against the Kurds (who, btw, are not "their own"... Kurds and Iraqi's are as far apart as Americans and French... not to justify anything, just a remark).Quote:
Then again according to his (Saddam) decree about WMD to the UN. It said that he never developed sarin nerve gas, but developed VX gas and all of the VX units where destroyed. (VX is what expert's think he used against Iran and the Kurds)
Mistaken; I have only read the 2002 report in which it state that he has not produced sarin nerve agent. (I guess it means that he has not produced sarin nerve agent since the report of 95') I have started to read the 1995 report and found the section that you are talking about.Quote:
In 1995, Hussein admitted to the UN that Iraq had started producing Sarin in 1984, and admitted to possessing 790 tons of the agent
He admitted to using chemical weapons against Iran, not the Kurds.Quote:
He even admitted to having used it against the Kurds
I wouldn't go that far. How about Americans and the British or I would even say SpainQuote:
Kurds and Iraqi's are as far apart as Americans and French
Peace
The Kurds are like the French: nobody likes them... heh.
They're not wanted in Turkey, Iran, Iraq,... and unfortunately for them, they're stuck on that little piece of land right in the middle of all those countries.
Oppressed minorities always seem to lead to terrorist cells, hence the PKK. They're kinda in the same situation as the Palestinians...
Hey don't say that I like French Women. :DQuote:
The Kurds are like the French: nobody likes them
True.Quote:
They're not wanted in Turkey, Iran, Iraq,... and unfortunately for them, they're stuck on that little piece of land right in the middle of all those countries.
Not true. Idiology creates Terrorist not OppressionQuote:
Oppressed minorities always seem to lead to terrorist cells
More like the Jews of WWII Germany.Quote:
They're kinda in the same situation as the Palestinians...
Peace.
NOBODY likes the French, not even you, jackell! :p
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i used to like the french!
Um Negative maybe you need to go check what I posted their. All I posted was what my MOS was and a single incident that took place while I was in Iraq. Didn't post anything about not liking the French.
As for the French, I don't like them in general, true. But I still like French women. Anyways I don't have much respect for a country in which their best military force is made up of all foreigners.
Peace
You've never head of "gorilla warfare?" It's not monkeys with guns you ****nut, and you proably do know that since the term has been more then made public-savvy via CNN, good job, you managed to extend your post with pointless crap about actual monkeys. Ignorance represented by age? What the hell are you talking about? Yes, once you turn a specific age, POOF you magicly become the all godly being that Cybr1d is... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted here by Cybr1d
Please stop talking. Since when do gorilla's fight with AKs? They **** on their hands and they throw it at you.
You continue to show your ignorance represented by your age. Please, discontinue arguing and go to your mommy so she can teach you some manners EY. Shows that you seriously don't know ****.
People actually died from anthrax...you'd be scared shitless too if your neighbor died because of white powder he received in the mail.
If you were just a tad more intelligent, you'd realise that even mixing Ammonia and Bleach inside a 155mm shell when fired...it can be very easily turned into a WMD......WMDs don't necessarily refer to Nukes.
I never said people didn't die from anthrax, I said that using ducktape to "protect" yourself is the dumbest load of **** I've ever heard, next to "duck and cover" from the cold war. Hey, I guess if they make it look like they have a method of saving your ass, you'll belive them without question.
Fact: Many of these gas-chemicals are smaller then the microscopic holes in plastic (much like AIDS can go though sheepskin, in compairson), and can easily move through the tape seams. Not only this, but for it to be effective in ANY way whatsoever, the entire area would need to be air-tight, in which case the people would be dead from a lack of oxygen.
I fail to see how Homeland Security can justify this bullshit in any way, it just created panic, and a shortage of plastic and tape in hardware stores.
Wow! You passed highschool chemestry too!?! OMFG WOW you know that? It's easy to make weapons, that is my point, I'm saying that anyone could have made it. WOW!!! ISN'T THAT SO COOL?!?! Christ man... your saying I'm ignorant?
And, where exactly has this sharia law ever happened, legaly?Quote:
Originally posted here by jackell
Drakain Zeil
Do you realize that you live in a country that is now allowing sharia law to be implemented outside the court system. You know female circumcision, cutting off hands, stoning, beating wifes etc.
The Latest Al Qaeda manual states, “Canada is a target because they are a Christian country”. You are number five on their list. What do you have to say about that?
Maybe you are just to ignorant to realize what is going on in your own back yard.
One last thing. There are thousands upon thousands of shells (new & old) that the inspectors must go through. It will take years for them to complete their task. If Saddam actually followed the Geneva Convention he would have marked all biological and chemical shells with proper markings. Then again according to his (Saddam) decree about WMD to the UN. It said that he never developed sarin nerve gas, but developed VX gas and all of the VX units where destroyed. (VX is what expert's think he used against Iran and the Kurds)
Peace.
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Number five? Wow, some one has a special place for us in their hearts. Yes, al-Q is a group of *******s, and no I don't support any of their actions in any way. I want to kill the leaders of that group, and re-program everyone they have brainwashed with "kill yourself for allah and you'll be happy" much like the zealots did in roman times.
I'm against all forms of of "associated standards"
ie. "Jews are bad, kill them" "Blacks will kill us and steal from us!" "Christans are good... oh look one is robbing my store, thats okay, he believes in God!"
I don't see how anything about Canada has to do with what I have said, care to explain?
OntarioQuote:
And, where exactly has this sharia law ever happened, legaly?
According to Ontario's 1991 Arbitration Act religious groups have the right to resolve family disputes.
Since it sounds like you don't know what sharia law is, I will try and help you out here. Sharia law is the book of laws that govern Sunni Moslem's. It is the law that governs Saudi Arabia and many African countries.
Stoning and Amputations will probable not take place since it is so barbaric that no civilized nation would stand for it, plus it would probably cause an outlaw of sharia law in general. Female circumcision and wife beating does take place. Female circumcisions (You do know what this means, right) take place when a female member of a family is born (No Choice). Wife beating takes place because if a women who tries to appeal (Choice) to court system (legal) to have the sentence overturned she will be disavowed by the family (No Choice).
But to tell you the truth I think about 99% of the laws in the sharia are illegal, but they take place none the less.
Canada par sae, no, but since you have that little red maple leaf next to your name I will explain.Quote:
I don't see how anything about Canada has to do with what I have said, care to explain?
I don't like it when someone, I'll use your own words, apply "associated standards".
You seemed to be putting all Americans in a certain stereotype. (I may be mistaken)
I don't like it when someone tries to talk about my countries problems without talking about their own. Just a Patriotic thing.
You just so happened to be Canadian, so I just through my 2 cents in.
I do believe in non-monotonous thought. Hence the question about al-Q.
Peace
RoadClosed: First I thsught you on the right didn't care about the ganeva convention...isnt that why we can detain people in guantonamo and iraq illigaly?
second sarin is one of the few nerve agents that we have first hand reports about, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_g...e_Tokyo_subway 12 deaths out of 6000 not very deadly if you ask me, only one thing i would argue with on the report though, any highschool chme student can make sarin givin the recipie, only chlorean gas is easier to make
question again for the wingnuts, how is attacking iraq in any way stoping or hurting alquida? the only alquida camp in prewar iraq was associated with our allies there the kurds.
I like the French.
I care about the Geneva Convention bballad. At a minimum it brings some civility to war, like not mass killing prisoners, or shooting medical vans and churches. Some seem to only care about it when it harms the United States, not when it supports it. I don't have a problem with those soldiers getting court marshaled. **** one is already serving time. I do have a problem losing a war because of the convention, only in the fact that these people we are fighting don't believe in our own moral background the drives the convention. They do not apply the same logic, and they prove it over and over again to your blind eyes.
So since nerve agents aren't deadly, should we take them off the list of no-no weapons? Some points, you failed to mention the over 500 serious injuries that resulted. Continued exposure to the agent would have resulted in certain death. Like say an airline flight from Heathrow to Washington, around 8 hours. Of course the person triggering the agent would die also in that situation. All from a tiny liter bag. That's why it's a WMD. A train moving fast in a tunnel that is well ventilated isn't a good test if I was a terrorist I would do a plane. But perhaps mass casualties weren't their goal, the massive television coverage and the terror of traveling across Japan may have been the goal. It interrupted infrastructure, the gold mine of a terrorist.
Hell as noted in Spain, a bomb on a train will do more damage. In this critical test you claim defeats the toxicity of Sarin gas, one were a tiny drop can kill you, you don’t realize that when people started feeling sick they got off the train and got out of the exposure zone, in fact people were getting on and off as the trains made their rounds. It definitely shows that an attack on vehicles where people can escape exposure is limited and not the best way to kill people unless there is a much higher dosage or airflow is limited, or you spray them vs. a puddle on the floor.. If you’re just trying to freak them out it works great.
Those shells contained small amounts. They aren't design to produce mass casualties, they are design to bombard small units and either destroy them or incapacitate them with sickness. They are weapon of terror, if you feel otherwise then I guess we can start using them.
wingnut? lol.
In an artilery shell it is less then effective...so what we have is a waepon of terror, that if used in the proper enviroment, seald airplane or other such where the victems cannot get to fresh air. Hell look at the reports out of iraq when they gassed the kurds, they found that the ycould have killed a lot more more cheaply if they had used conventional explosives insted of chemical weapons. Sarin gas is not a conserin to our military, it is a psycological waepon used to spread fear but is ratehr inefective beyond that.
Look at your plain analogy, if they had a smallish bobmb, or a gun and the ability to get in the pilots cabin they could kill every one on the plane, so is a 9mm now a wmd?
So you support the geniva convention? S othe tourture in Abu Grahib is well within the convention? You know where at least 8 prisoners where beaten to death and the "intaragation" sessions wher witnessed by at least one general?
I think the point that many are missing is that the Geneva Convention applies to the treatment of captured enemy soldiers and the treatment of civilians. It does not address a remaining group.
Terrorists attack uniformed soldiers but are not uniformed themselves, hence they are not covered by the rules for the treatment of captured soldiers. By that same token they place themselves outside the group known as civilians since they are attacking the military. Thus, they also preclude themselves from the treatment afforded the civilians by the Convention. Bearing in mind, they made the choice to place themselves in this third group, what should they expect? Should everyone buddy up to them and go out of their way to be nice and gentle.... I think not.... These are killers who will not hesitate for a second to kill a guard if they get the chance..... If I were a guard I would let them know who is boss, I'm going to keep them constantly off-balance, cold, wet, tired and hungry..... They will believe that their lives are at my whim...... They made ther beds.... Now they don't want to lie in them????? Sorry.... Naahhhh.... I'm not sorry.....
bballad, I don't fully support what happend in the prison. I support the way it was handled. Those 12 people out of hundreds of thousands over there are going to jail. Perhaps you would be happy with their public execution? Not sure what you want.
I find it difficult to mass kill almost 500 people in a jampacked 747 with a 9mm hand gun, the there fore it's not a weapon of mass destruction. If you want to use that anology of getting to the pilot, then a real world example is 9/11 2 planes not only killed over 3 thousand people guilty of going to work that day, they destroyed 2 of the worlds largest man-made structures and sped up the demise of an already downturned economy. In this case, perhaps everyday objects in the hands of dangerous individuals do become a WMD. Who knows what can be next. Because if their infrastructure is not dismantled it will happen again in my mind.
Hey moron...its called Guerrilla Warfare. Gorillas are not monkeys either, they're Apes.Quote:
You've never head of "gorilla warfare?" It's not monkeys with guns you ****nut, and you proably do know that since the term has been more then made public-savvy via CNN, good job, you managed to extend your post with pointless crap about actual monkeys. Ignorance represented by age? What the hell are you talking about? Yes, once you turn a specific age, POOF you magicly become the all godly being that Cybr1d is...
Only half the Topic was about monkey crap...the rest was on the subject to prove you wrong...not too hard to do.
Magic don't work...Its called knowledge earned from experience, school, and reading. You can start getting there by reading my whole post first, before jumping at the bottom of a screen to reply with yet another moronic response.Quote:
POOF you magicly become the all godly being that Cybr1d is...
You continue to prove the statement correct. You seriuosly don't know what we're talking about? You're 15, half the **** you are talking about...you have no clue what it is. You're arguing about word of mouth and other **** that you and your high school buddies might have talked about during lunch hour, without actually bothering to read the facts...and come up with an educated argument. Once again you are going to respond to this post with another empty argument, continuously proving yourself wrong.Quote:
Ignorance represented by age? What the hell are you talking about?
Yup, I'm calling you ignorant...well now that you continue to argue i'm calling you stupid.Quote:
I never said people didn't die from anthrax, I said that using ducktape to "protect" yourself is the dumbest load of **** I've ever heard, next to "duck and cover" from the cold war. Hey, I guess if they make it look like they have a method of saving your ass, you'll belive them without question.
Fact: Many of these gas-chemicals are smaller then the microscopic holes in plastic (much like AIDS can go though sheepskin, in compairson), and can easily move through the tape seams. Not only this, but for it to be effective in ANY way whatsoever, the entire area would need to be air-tight, in which case the people would be dead from a lack of oxygen.
I fail to see how Homeland Security can justify this bullshit in any way, it just created panic, and a shortage of plastic and tape in hardware stores.
Wow! You passed highschool chemestry too!?! OMFG WOW you know that? It's easy to make weapons, that is my point, I'm saying that anyone could have made it. WOW!!! ISN'T THAT SO COOL?!?! Christ man... your saying I'm ignorant?
Anyone could have made it, thats true...but not just anyone could have put it inside a 155MM shell you ****tard...thats the issue here...not just that Sarin Gas was found....but it was found in a ****ing 155mm SHELL!
Once again being very ignorant. That was the belief at the time...they thought that could help....not necessarily being true...but thats what they thought. If the same exact thing happened in Canada...you would do the same....if Everyone told you that ducking under a table would save your life...**** yeah, you'd be the first one down there.Quote:
never said people didn't die from anthrax, I said that using ducktape to "protect" yourself is the dumbest load of **** I've ever heard, next to "duck and cover" from the cold war. Hey, I guess if they make it look like they have a method of saving your ass, you'll belive them without question
Yes I did...I'm guessing you haven't taken it yet...or taking it now? Go finish your homework, brush your teeth and go to sleep now, its getting late.Quote:
Wow! You passed highschool chemestry too!?!
bballad, psychological warfare is very true...and a very effective way to fight a war. Would you rather have soldiers with balls of steel who wouldn't back up from a fight or would you rather have soldiers scared of a sneeze?Quote:
Sarin gas is not a conserin to our military, it is a psycological waepon used to spread fear but is ratehr inefective beyond that.
bballad
I guess I am a wingnut since I would rather have the terrorist coming after me than an innocent civilian. So I say wingnuts unite. Allow those who argue over newspaper comments sitting in their nice lazy-boys complain about what are nations armed forces are doing.Quote:
question again for the wingnuts, how is attacking iraq in any way stoping or hurting alquida? the only alquida camp in prewar iraq was associated with our allies there the kurds.
You asked what attacking Iraq did.
Read this.
http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/2003/
Fact: Iraq was a large monetary supplier to terrorist.
Fact: Those who would like to come to America and attack us on our own soil are now in Iraq fighting men and women who shoot back.
Fact: Global terrorism is down by 45% since 2001.
If you need more I have more.
Peace.
Opps I forgot one other thing.
These are all the terrorist organizations that have been deemed hostile towards the United States and its allies.
Abu Nidal organization (ANO)
Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG)
Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade
Ansar al-Islam (AI)
Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
‘Asbat al-Ansar
Aum Supreme Truth (Aum) Aum Shinrikyo, Aleph
Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA)
Communist Party of Philippines/New People’s Army (CPP/NPA)
Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya (Islamic Group, IG)
HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement)
Harakat ul Mujahidin (HUM)
Hizballah (Party of God)
Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU)
Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM)
Jemaah Islamiya (JI)
Al-Jihad (Egyptian Islamic Jihad, EIJ)
Kahane Chai (Kach)
Kongra-Gel (KGK, formerly Kurdistan Workers’ Party, PKK, KADEK)
Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LT)
Lashkar I Jhangvi (LJ)
Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE)
Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK or MKO)
National Liberation Army (ELN)—Colombia
Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
Palestine Liberation Front (PLF)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine–General Command (PFLP-GC)
Al-Qaida
Real IRA (RIRA)
Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
Revolutionary Nuclei (RN)
Revolutionary Organization 17 November (17 November)
Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party/Front (DHKP/C) 135
Salafi st Group for Call and Combat (GSPC)
Sendero Luminoso (Shining Path or SL)
United Self-Defense Forces/Group of Colombia (AUC)
We are not just up against Al-Qaida
right jackell and none of them have been successful in 2 1/2 years (knock wood and thank the lord). and thats not because were doing everything wrong
i just think its too "coincidental" that sarin and mustard gas both turn up within a few days of each other. the mustard was not effective because it was stored wrong. like burried in the sand.
So it was Saddam's government who did it? Which is the only logical answer, with all of the black market to terrorist trades going on.Quote:
Anyone could have made it, thats true...but not just anyone could have put it inside a 155MM shell you ****tard...thats the issue here...not just that Sarin Gas was found....but it was found in a ****ing 155mm SHELL!
They have been successful in the last 2 ½ years. Just not on American soil. Right now there is more attacks in Latin America than in the middle east & Africa. First time in 25 years that has happened. They are facing armed resistance for the first time. I personally believe they don't know what to do.Quote:
right jackell and none of them have been successful in 2 1/2 years (knock wood and thank the lord). and thats not because were doing everything wrong
That is your theory. I will let it go until I see all the facts. The facts that I see are that we went into Iraq under the cover of WMD in order to take out Ansar Al-Islam. A group that was pursuing chemical weapons and was funded by Saddam. History won't be written for many years to come so we will see what's to come.Quote:
i just think its too "coincidental" that sarin and mustard gas both turn up within a few days of each other. the mustard was not effective because it was stored wrong. like burried in the sand.