I'd like to submit a formal complaint about the system

So, if a user is ignoring another user, it prevents the 'ignored' user from participating in a thread that the 'ignorer' is a part of.
This defeats the purpose of having a useful community. If someone being ignored prevents them from participating in threads, I'd have to cast my vote in the box that says "fix this ****, because it's stupid".
I'd suggest that if someone is being ignored, then the ignorer should see said persons post as "hidden". This seems completely fair and reasonable because everyone that is a member here has the right to participate.

I agree. I never knew ignoring could cause this. I always thought it would just display the ignored posts as hidden, like you said.

That's a damned good idea hogfly! There are like 12 members that would be ignored right now if all it did was hide their posts, but I'm afraid to click "ignore" b/c every now and then an annoying member might start a useful discussion....exactly as you said.

Heh, happens to me all the time (well, not ALL the time but it has happened to me alot). It sucks too, because I really wanna participate in that discussion/etc as well.

why isn't this in site suggestions

I didn't even know this... are you saying that if I would start a thread, and if I would put you on ignore, you wouldn't be able to reply to that thread? And what if someone else starts a thread, and I reply to it and have you on ignore, you wouldn't be able to reply?

I'm sure that that's not how it's supposed to be... I'm moving this to the Bugs forum for mnstrgrl to have a look at...

Neg, good move. I wasn't sure where to put it because I think it's designed to function that way.
It happens when the thread creator has you on their ignore list.
EX:
chsh couldn't post a response in the forensics forum because he is being ignored by irongeek. He was trying to respond to irongeek and got this message:

The original poster of this topic, Irongeek, has you on their ignore list. You are unable to reply to the threads they start

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Originally posted here by er0k
why isn't this in site suggestions

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Simply because I don't think "suggestions" gets paid attention to ;)

true

Edit:

Does this only happen with thread starters? Did IronGeek start the thread chsh tried to reply to but couldn't since he's on IronGeek's ignore list?
I remember reading something about this (back in JP's days)... I'm pretty sure JP did it on purpose. It's always open for discussion, of course, and I guess mnstrgrl could remove it if requested...

i thought everyone knew it was like that. i dont know if it works or not..

Neg: 100% accurate ;)

Like I said I think this was by design, but it isn't really fair IMO.

hogfly, what are you talking about? I just tested the theory/issue with er0k (because I hate him ;) ) and I was able to view and even post/delete posts in threads he started without any issue? Maybe this is a specific user issue because I don't have it?

TT: you hating er0k doesn't mean he has you on ignore, too... the issue would be er0k having you on ignore and you not being able to reply to his threads... not you having er0k on ignore and not being able to reply to his threads.

Agh, er0k or Negative or both of you, please put me on ignore, I'd like to see this if possible?

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Originally posted here by ;TT
hogfly, what are you talking about? I just tested the theory/issue with er0k (because I hate him ;) ) and I was able to view and even post/delete posts in threads he started without any issue? Maybe this is a specific user issue because I don't have it?

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If you can't figure out what I am talking about by reading this thread, then don't bother spewing garbage. Read carefully next time.

there you go, you are ignored ;TT ... let us know if it works.

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there you go, you are ignored ;TT ... let us know if it works.

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Lol, the irony. :D

i'm sorry i fail to see the irony, care to share

You reading my post while I'm on ignore is the irony.

And hogfly is right, I can view the thread fully but am not able to post in it. I kind of like this idea though, if you and another person on the forum don't get along and you don't like having issues with them, this can solve it pretty well.

i dont understand how thats ironic, this is hogfly's thread, not anyone on my ignore list.. therefore for that reason "that" is not ironic.

exclusion from a forum because of arguements on the internet does nothing but perpetuate the childish behavior that is prevelant on this site, but to each his/her own I suppose....

The ignore only works one way...Either make it work both ways or not at all. *shrug*

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i dont understand how thats ironic, this is hogfly's thread, not anyone on my ignore list.. therefore for that reason "that" is not ironic.

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Yes this is my thread :D So quit the nonsensical sniveling and little pot shots... before I am forced to thrash you.
Be constructive or leave this thread alone, it's as simple as that.

are you joking? That was hilarious

I was actually serious....I suppose I could ignore you to keep you from posting, but I don't work that way.

you: a. start a thread in the obvious wrong forum, complaining about a lack of community, when you choose to post it to where the entire community can't read it

b. fail to recognize others who posted non-constructive post(s) in this thread, and single them out, again showing you don't really give a **** about "The community"

c. double post, as a moderator i would think you would know how to use the "edit" feature.

d. have annoying as bitching and whining about AO in your sig, yet complain about a "lack of community inherent in AO" and no im not quoting you, that sums up why you think this idea of yours should be implemented.

e. we were discussing the idea of your thread, testing it to be true, and confirming yes or no. How is that not constructive to your thread?

shove your problem with me up your ass or quit complaining.

Bleh.. I feel something gurgling in my stomach.

*fart*

That feel's alot better. Let's all calm down and not start another flame war. Christ, AO sure has been full of hatred lately, has it not?

Greetings:

How is it that virtually every thread, no matter how uncontroversial the original intent of it was, ends up becoming a flame war?

Really, this AOLish atmosphere really needs to come to an end.

As for the matter at hand: The original intent was that if you had someone on your ignore list, they could not reply to a thread that you started (along with hiding the threads and posts of those on your ignore list, people on your ignore list not being able to PM you, etc).

Obviously any of these attributes could be easily changed. I would suggest making something under site options that allow individuals to turn on/off various aspects of the ignore function.

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Greetings:

How is it that virtually every thread, no matter how uncontroversial the original intent of it was, ends up becoming a flame war?

Really, this AOLish atmosphere really needs to come to an end.

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:eek: Holy ****, I actually AGREE with JP on something. That speaks volumes guys, that means we need to calm the hell down and stop the ****.

i believe the answer to that question is simple, differing opinion and ego. :)

Er0k:
I feel compelled to answer your statements...
I posted to the addicts forum because the people in the addicts forum have been around the longest and are supposed to be mature enough to respond constructively. it was moved here...get over it, I certainly did.

I didn't fail to recognize others, you just happen to be the only one continuing to post to this thread, so it may appear that way...

I do know how to use the edit feature thank you. I try not to mix responses when I can, and half the time while I am responding to one message..another pops up. Again..big deal.

if my signature offends you..good.

Most of us were discussing the idea, and while you were participating, continued to snip about the "irony" or lack thereof.

I have no problem with you. Frankly you aren't worth the effort.

Thank you for your constructive responses to this thread.

and no, this has nothing to do with ego.

********************TO MAKE ER0K HAPPY**********************

Negative: any word from the 'powers that be' about this or do we wait until tomorrow?

Wait until tomorrow... it's Sunday...
Even I am going to bed right now :D

I thought you guys worked 24x7? get gus on the phone, call a board meeting and solve this problem!

I have just two words I'd like to post about petty bickering..

to understand it, you'd have to have been around AO when hogfly was active years ago..

hogfly fart

there, that'll clear the air :D

Hey...I didn't realize that it was set up the way hoggy says it is but upon further contemplation, I like it.

Let's say that member A has a problem with member C and would prefer not to have to deal with member C. By ignoring him/her, member A can start posts with no fear of disruption from member C. Member C, if member C is truely a good member, will get disgusted at his/her inability to post to member A's threads and attempt to resolve the inability to post issue, which in theory would involve a peace treaty with member A. Member A removes Member C from his/her ignore list and all is theoretically well.

JMHO

allen: Yeah, but how? If you can't PM that user, that user can't see your posts, then how is a "peace treaty" of sorts supposed to be formed? Catch what I'm saying?

I understand what you are saying (and in theory it makes sense) but how is my question.

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Hey...I didn't realize that it was set up the way hoggy says it is but upon further contemplation, I like it.

Let's say that member A has a problem with member C and would prefer not to have to deal with member C. By ignoring him/her, member A can start posts with no fear of disruption from member C. Member C, if member C is truely a good member, will get disgusted at his/her inability to post to member A's threads and attempt to resolve the inability to post issue, which in theory would involve a peace treaty with member A. Member A removes Member C from his/her ignore list and all is theoretically well.

JMHO

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In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is.

That being quoted...I don't think people have the maturity to remove someone when an appropriate amount of time has passed. The idea is a good one, but it does prevent people from exercising their member given rights. I think it's up to the moderators to handle "incidents". Either way we'll know tomorrow. Those jupiter media guys keep bankers hours, so they can't fix this now :D mwahahaha

Hey, I was around here a bit last weekend ... I don't always keep banker's hours, but I'll admit I only feel compelled to look at the site monday-friday. I guarantee nothing on weekends.

One other meta-comment: I have both the bugs forum and site suggestions in my front page display list, and I read every thread in both of those forums.

Now, about the ignore list ... there doesn't seem to be any concensus yet as to whether the current behavior is good or bad. Continue to discuss, and I'll take action if it seems like you guys want it to change.

- h

I see it two ways:

Pro: If you have a troll following you around trying to trash on threads (as I have had), being able to use ignore to keep them off of threads you start is a nice tool to have to keep thread content healthy.

Con: If, on the other hand, the person you are ignoring is someone who bothers you but still posts good, knowledgable content from time to time (and we have plenty of those types of members), then their being blocked from your thread can have a downfall...even if they're jerks, they still might have something useful to add.

So I think that's what we're looking at. Does the pro outweigh the con, or vice versa? Or is there a way to have our cake and eat it too?

im all for the idea of just hiding their post as you dont wanna miss out on valuable **** just because of one wanker ... also tho if you see his posts as hidden your still gonna know he is there posting annoying **** and you will be tempted to read his posts .. that is however up to the individual so yeh the hiding their post idea is cool :) either that or just dont show their post up in a thread at all