No help from Cuba?!
Why would we refuse perfectly good and free help from Cuba just because of Castro?! I think that is stupid and makes me angry that our government cant get over stuff that happened over 40 years ago... im disappointed :(
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No help from Cuba?!
Why would we refuse perfectly good and free help from Cuba just because of Castro?! I think that is stupid and makes me angry that our government cant get over stuff that happened over 40 years ago... im disappointed :(
**** that Pendejo in Cuba......."Remember the Maine, and To Hell with Spain!" Well......................."Remember the highly fissionable isotopes that were pointed at us by the Communist dopes."
Cuba...................where political dissidents are kneecapped. :rolleyes:
"De Oppreso Liber"
Liberator of the Oppressed
Castro may be an ******* but that is no reason not to take help from other cuban people
Hey Hey,Quote:
Originally posted here by The Texan
Castro may be an ******* but that is no reason not to take help from other cuban people
Finally an American that agrees with me.. I posted regarding this a few threads back... It's just plain stupid in my opinion.
Peace,
HT
yes HT i finally honestly agree with u lol its a miracle! lol jk :) its just plain stupid
You communist heathens, you had best sound off that you love the Virgin Mary!
I think they need to supply their OWN people with real boats..........the tire-tube fortresses are quite primitive for maritime operations.
Im no commie i love America but i just dont see how you can block a whole country full of people willing to help us americans when we are in need just because they have an ******* for a leader... they are trying to DONATE help/supplies! that cost us nothing.. they are trying to help just because they are Cuban does that make the general Cuban population any different than anyone else trying to help? but i do agree that Castro sucks.
Cuba might be a 'country full of people'
and it IS a democracy of One Man One Vote .........
Unfortunately, that one man is Castro, and it's HIS vote that counts.......
USA pays rent for Gitmo base on Cuba, Castro, apparently, never cashes them in ....
I, personally, do not see the problem of taking aid wherever it is offered .........
HOWEVER Cuba is short on everything, [bar soldiers :p, they're still in Angola, and it's how many years since the war ended]
In short, they need the 'aid' more than the USA, so why doesn't it get used there ???
Let's face it...when it comes to Castro...Americans hate him worse than they did Hitler...this does not lend itself to objectivity...
Canada has, ontheotherhand, maintained a relationship with Cuba ( and the old Soviet Union ) from the beginnings of the cold war right up to present day...
If facts mean anything, the revolution was not communistic, that was a later development...in 1960 when Fidel spoke to the UN he as much said so...
prior to the revolution Cuba was as bad as Bangledesh...sickness and poverty was widespread, despite US corporations were profiting to the tune of billions in agriculture, property holdings, and mining specifically...
when Castro cut rents in half...that was the first volly...then he charged a 25% export tax on mining products ( which before there was none )...the second volly...
then...he confiscated land to be parcelled for farming...the US Government and Corporations with interests in Cuba demanded full immediate payment for the land...Castro said that wasn't possible, the Country was broke, all the money the US corpotrations were making in Cuba was not staying in Cuba...nothing was being contributed to the infrastucture of the Country...but he offered to pay over a 20 year period anyways...the US Government and said Corporations refused the compromise and demanded their money up front...
that's when things went to hell in a handbasket.
Eg ;)
you have some valid points foxy which iIagree with but I believe that I do too so before we get really mad why dont we agree to disagree? lol sound like a plan? :)
That's alot of supplies to send to another country. Cuba isn't exactly known for its wealth. I'm curious as to how many people in Cuba have been deprived of these supplies? Besides, the effort to recover NO is well in hand, and is about as optimal as it reasonably can be at this point.Quote:
In separate Washington press briefings, both the White House and State Department spokesmen this week downplayed the Cuban government’s offer to send some 1,600 medics, field hospitals and 83 tons of medical supplies to ease the humanitarian disaster.
Well said. However, allow me to go one step further and translate:Quote:
Originally posted here by !mitationRust
**** that Pendejo in Cuba......."Remember the Maine, and To Hell with Spain!" Well......................."Remember the highly fissionable isotopes that were pointed at us by the Communist dopes."
Cuba...................where political dissidents are kneecapped. :rolleyes:
"De Oppreso Liber"
Liberator of the Oppressed
Cuban Aid = Political Tool
While those doctors may not have any alterior motives, Fidel most certainly can be trusted to do so. Should the USA accept Cuban aid, I can easily imagine the requests for the US to being allowing imports from Cuba and flights to it as well next spring when tourism starts to anew. Then the evil USA would be scolded for holding a grude against the "generous" Cuban people because they have a facist dictator at the helm.
They had nuclear weapons pointed at the US. Um, I don't care if it was 40 years ago, or if Fidel Castro is one man. He's one man who brutalizes and locks "his" people in the dark. Only one man, but the power of an entire government at his disposal. I can't remember anyone ever under-rating Kim Jong-il or Saddamn Hussean because they were only one man who did something 'x' years ago.
Quote: "They had nuclear weapons pointed at the US" - just to clarify I do believe it was the Russians who had the nukes pointed at us but it was on Cuban soil... anway that makes no difference because at that time they were both communist countries and they were nuclear missles lol... anyway I just wanted to set the record straight.
We hate that dickhead because we want to develop that land like the Bahamas..............but we're not going to pour money into a communist economy that close, especially after that reckless **** they pulled with the nukes. Why........ so they can build up a communist army???? Buy weapons and point them at us........"YEAH IT'S STUPID ISN'T IT......I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY.......WHY???"
On the topic of development: In the Bahamas.... be on the lookout for a large development.....IT WILL TRUMP the Atlantis resort..... location Grand Bahama....more specific....northwest by the old abandoned military airport...... cross bay. A few miles north of the same cove where John travolta docks his boat. I had the pleasure of seeing the development proposals before they were presented to the government down there. First dibs on resort community housing <Connections *brushes shirt*>
Seeing as how we are being so openminded...let's go from there...
Virtually all of the Human Rights violations directed at Cuba stem from America...as pointed out by the UN commission on Human rights...so...everything they accuse Castro of doing stems from information that has been obtained from US sources...
Do you see any ' non-political ' organization in that bunch ' without ' an axe to grind????Quote:
For that purpose, and bearing in mind that most of the sources of information on the situation of human rights in Cuba are in the United States of America, he travelled to New York and Washington, D.C., from 29 August to 2 September 1994, where he had the opportunity to meet with individuals and representatives of the following organizations and groups: the Cuban Committee for Human Rights, the Committee to Support the Human Rights Movement in Cuba, the Cuban Women's Foundation, Human Rights in Cuba, Cuban Change, the Democratic Confederation of Workers, Freedom House, the Cuban Worker's Trade Union, Americas Watch, Areito Review, the Cuban-American Committee for Peace, the World Federation of Cuban Political Prisoners, the Cuban Committee against the Blockade, the Puerto Rican Group against the Blockade, the American Institute for Free Labor Development, the Foundation for the Defence of Family Values, the InterFaith Foundation for Community Organizations, the House of the Americas and the American Association of Jurists. The Special Rapporteur received written material - in addition to that received from the above-mentioned sources - from such sources as the Information Bureau of the Cuban Human Rights Movement, the Foundation for Human Rights in Cuba, the Christian Democrat Movement and Amnesty International, as well as many private communications sent to the Special Rapporteur from Cuba and abroad. The situation of human rights in Cuba reflected in this report is therefore based primarily on information from these sources.
I'm not saying there hasn't been severe Human Rights violations...but...come on now...there is nothing in this report that couldn't be applied to virtually any other nation...if you were to start digging deep enough.
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=res...I4We-gGNmvnvDQ
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secondly...
the economic conditions that exist in Cuba can hardly be attributed solely to Castro...I think the colapse of the Soviet Union and the long standing US trade embargo might have played a substantial role in it...Quote:
Cuba takes prides in having non-discriminatory legislation, and policies and government programs that promote greater equality between women and men. Women also play an important role, even at the international level, in the promotion of the improvement of women's condition by their participation in United Nations' organizations and by organizing regional conferences in their own country (FLACSO).
However, Cuban women bear the brunt of the difficulties and restrictions caused by the economic crisis. Since 1990 the country faces serious economic difficulties due to the loss of foreign relations with socialist countries and with the ex Soviet Union, in addition to the long-standing United States economic embargo. The consequences of the crisis have fallen on the country's women by affecting their family, including a decrease in salaries, a housing crisis, insufficient subsidized day care, reduction of transportation, decreased offer of lasting goods, interruptions of electricity, and an increased complexity of domestic labour (Investigación sobre Desarrollo Humano y Equidad en Cuba 1999, UN).
population and the natural economics of a small Country may also play a significant role in it's development...Quote:
Cuba is an island with a population of 11.2 million people (CIDA). In 2001, there were 100 males for 100 females, based on the estimated population (UN Social Indicators). The projected life expectancy for women is 79 years, whereas it is 75 for men, a difference of 4 years (UN, The World's Women). The birth rate is 13 per 1,000, and the death rate is 7 per 1,000 (Genderstats, World Bank).
very well represented in fact...and again Castro can hardly be accused of creating stereotypes...Quote:
The Constitution specifies that the State guarantees that women be offered the same opportunities and possibilities as men. The legislation also does not accept discrimination pertaining to salary, promotions, social benefits, and training opportunities. Women have access to education, science and technology, arts and culture, and employment, which has permitted women to reach financial independence and to fully develop their potentials. Women are overall well represented in many professions. However, stereotypes persist in society.
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# The standard workweek is 44 hours, with shorter workdays in hazardous occupations, such as mining (US Department of State).
# Women are allowed an 18-week maternity leave with 100% of their wages paid by the Social Security (UN Social Indicators).
# Pregnant working women are protected under law from working in dangerous and strenuous physical conditions
(FLACSO).
# The Constitution gives priority to state or collective needs over individual choices regarding free association or provision of employment. Labour organizations do not act as trade unions, promote worker rights, or protect the right to strike (US Department of State).
# The law prohibits strikes; collective bargaining does not exist (US Department of State).
# The Labour Code states that the Government guarantees equal opportunities for women and men, equal pay for equal work, and it states that women are not to be excluded from promotions to positions of greater responsibility, qualifications and complexity (FLACSO).
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Access to safe water and adequate sanitation is good in both rural and urban areas (UN Social Indicators).
http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/cida_ind....1?OpenDocumentQuote:
The total population, including women, has access to free health care. According to the Government, women have their reproductive and sexual health guranteed (Investigación sobre Desarrollo Humano y Equidad en Cuba 1999, UN).
INC - Gender profile: Cuba (March 2002)
There are many problems in Cuba...many issues that need desperately to be addressed...however to say that all these things are Castro's fault is simply ignoring the facts.
Eg ;)
There are certain countries that you don't even want to except even a fruitcake from. Cuba is one of them. Mexico! would be another one highly on my list. If this country would except their help, in the future there will be something on the the lines of "Well we helped you then...", "We need a couple billion dollars for....umm... our farming infrastructure."
But when even our government turns down help from our Allies, what do you say then?
http://www.information*************....ticle10228.htm
We, as a supposed superpower, should be able to take care of ourselves. But with the current hinderments (i.e. the never ending war on terror, the current administration, etc.) we need help.
Even with these hinderings, we should have been able to get this problem done. Rescue teams were told to stand down and some were even ordered to go everywhere but New Orleans. Pfft.
My 1/2 cents of pure bu11shi7 for now; going to get another beer :rolleyes: lol
-kurt
Precisely. Why on Earth would we want help from a country which has been denied every last bit of US aid, goods, services, or tourism for the past 40 years? For that matter, why would Castro bother offering unless he had an ulterior motive?Quote:
Cuban Aid = Political Tool
Oops! Sorry to tell you Kurt, but there's Mexican troops helping secure the gulf coast at this time. They were moved in last week at our acceptance of their offer of aid.Quote:
Mexico! would be another one highly on my list.
Read more here:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/08/katrina.mexico.ap/
Yes, but Castro allowed it, ergo he (and by association the country he is dictator of) is as much deserving of our wrath as the former Soviet Union was. Perhaps when Castro dies off and a new regime begins in Cuba things will be different between we and they. Until then, I highly doubt it.Quote:
Quote: "They had nuclear weapons pointed at the US" - just to clarify I do believe it was the Russians who had the nukes pointed at us but it was on Cuban soil...
Yes, there are very many problems in Cuba, which is why boat loads of people arrive every day into the US near Miami, and why Miami has a mostly Cuban immigrant population. Foremost among these things is a vast economic depression - nearly 95% of Cubans live so far below the poverty line they're lucky to afford a hovel in which to live. Castro does nothing about this, yet they all love him still. Amazingly enough, US tourism would be a good solution to Castro's problem - but he can't seem to 'bury the hatchet' with the US since his days of stabbing us in our arses. (read up on the 'revolution' that brought Castro to power, the events leading up to Bay of Pigs, and the Bay of Pigs invasion for more info). It's pretty simple guys. We won't take his help because he's stabbed us in our butts once before. He offered because he wants our money and that naughty little embargo sits in his way.Quote:
There are many problems in Cuba...many issues that need desperately to be addressed...however to say that all these things are Castro's fault is simply ignoring the facts.
nuff said - He's a banana republic dictator, and a long-time enemy of the US. Let him rot on his island 'paradise'. We neither need nor want anything from him.
Yes, I already know that. That was my personal opinion.Quote:
Oops! Sorry to tell you Kurt, but there's Mexican troops helping secure the gulf coast at this time. They were moved in last week at our acceptance of their offer of aid.
Man... I spent a whole 15 minutes of thought composing that...and this is all I get in return :P
Dude, I'm drunk as hell and its around 3am here lol :mad: :D
Hi l3lacklce,
The problem here I believe stems from an American perspective...Americans have been raised to hate Castro...perceive him as the worst kind of enemy...so it's hard to get a realistic perspective from an American viewpoint...
most of the rest of the world does not perceive him to be this villian of Stalanistic proportions...the propoganda coming from America about him since the Bay of Pigs contains half-truths and, in some cases, bald faced lies...
despite the embargo...which even wealthier Counties would be hard pressed to deal with...Castro has improved the quality of life for many Cubans...
and as if to spite a century or more of American companies, prior to 1959, taking as much from Cuba as they could without ever even attempting to upgrade the lifestyle of the Cuban people...is it any wonder they were ripe for a revolution when Castro came about...if these American companies put back even a fraction of what they took out the people of Cuba wouldn't have needed a Castro...
it was also a result of the insistance of these corporations to be compensated ' immediately ' and refusing Castro's offer of a 20 year payment stucture that Castro turned to the Soviet Union for support...
I'm not saying that Castro is a nice guy...he's a dictator...he's a hardnose...what I am saying is...
Castro didn't create the problems with Cuba...American Corporations and American politics did...Castro wouldn't even be where he is if it wasn't for that....he'd be a nobody...and Cuba would likely be full of American tourists at an abundance of American Hotels and Resorts right now.
When America was stripping the country dry it had an opportunity to raise the quality of life of Cubans by funneling some of that money back into the Country...they didn't...that gave rise to the revolution and Castro.
Eg ;)
And, as I said, the poverty in Cuba can hardly be considered Castro's fault...the Cuban people were poor before he came to power...and the embargo has done much to keep it that way.
Hey now dont blame all of Cuba's problems on us lol... sure we contributed to it but we arent the sole cause... I still stick to my belief that Castro is a bad guy but the Cuban people as a whole arent if they want to help let them, and if Castro asks for a "favor" later tell him thanx but no thanks... Sending aid to us should just be out of the generousity of his big ol Cuban heart :) and if a hurricane hits Cuba we should send aid down there as well... anyway thats my 2 cents
Hi The Texan,
Cuba is not a wealthy Country...even without the embargo it would not be a wealthy Country...it's is a small Country with barely 12 million people...the population of New York City...
with a 40+ year old embargo in place...what do you think are it's chances to free it's self of poverty?
Castro can't be blamed for everything either. ;)
Eg ;)
And I agree with your sentiments.
well the report i read said they were willing to send something like 19 tons of supplies and like 1400 medics ( I think, cant remember off the top of my head!) so where would they get all this? and if they are in such bad shape why would they send it to us?
Hi The Texan,
Why would they? Perhaps they want to help and are giving out of their need...I am a charity co-ordinator...I deal with people all the time...and you know...
the most generous people and the most sympathetic are the poor to lower-middle-class...
they are the ones that give out of their need...not their surplus.
It's easy to give when you got too much...the poor are far more generous than the rich.
Eg ;)
yep Eg i agree with you on that one and i bet alot of church pastors do too because more often that not it is the lower income families who tithe more than the richer ones ( income percentage wise) but that isnt always the case dont get me wrong...
Hi The Texan,
In all my years working with charities I have met some very generous people...rich and poor...but I've yet to meet a rich man giving out of his need...the swimming pool and the BMW always comes first...then they give what's left over ( which is sometimes substantial...but it's surplus ).
The Cuban offer does not have to be taken as a bad thing...or that there is some hidden agenda behind it...some ugly ulterior motive...maybe they just want to help...because they've been there...Cuba is, after all, usually right in the path of most hurricanes.
Eg ;)
Could also be the magnitude of the disaster that's prompted their generousity...or the fact it was New Orleans...a distinctly un-American city by comparison...or perhaps they identify with the fact that the ones that need help there are mostly poor people.
Here is brief history of cuba up till castro. I am not going to comment it as there is quite a bit here already but you can maybe see why the cubians might have been a little bit pissed off with the US by the time Castro turned up. I think there would be more danger to cuba excepting americain aid rather than america excepting cubian aid.
edit forgot to add the source :)Quote:
The First United States Occupation (1899-1902)
The Occupation had three major goals:
First: The US wanted to make Cuba into a self-governing protectorate
Achieve political stability without the burdens and costs of colonial occupation
The Cuban army stayed submissive to American take-over
Leaders of rebels were tired, old or killed in war
US bought of Cuba by offering to buy weapons
Offered key-rebels well paid positions
Second: The US wanted to repair war-damage
Created good sanitation system (General Leonard Wood, app. 1899)
Wood ignored the revolutionaries in favour of conservative planters, who were opposed to independence.
Defeated yellow fever
Created educational system
Superior to Spanish system, based on American one
Þ All paid for by the Cuban treasury, even the expenses of American army.
First elections, for a convention, took place in June 1899 (met Nov.):
American pressure forced to include ‘Platt-amendment’:
Limited ability to conduct foreign policy & borrow aboard
Gave US right to maintain naval base
Gave US right to intervene with dodgy ends
End product accepted only after much discussion
Third goal: To absorb Cuban in to the American economic sphere:
Platt Amendment allowed favourable trade terms to American business men in Cuba
A second agreement in 1903 completed American economic domination (20% of Sugar tariffs to America, reduced tariffs from US)
The Politics of Corruption, 1902-1953
Instability and Intervention, 1902-1924
Tomás Estrada Palma first elected Cuban president in 1901
Took office May 1902 as Americans left
Government scandal ridden:
Elections to Congress were fraudulent and violent (1904)
1905, Estrada was revolted with fraud system and no opposition
Liberal Party, under José Miguel Gómez, staged revolt, summer 1906
Estrada, unable to control it called for American intervention
American intervention; occurred under William Howard Taft
Charles Magoon, a Minnesotan judge was appointed head of provisional American government
Power was divided between parties
Institutionalised corruption
Standing army way created
National Consciousness and rebellion against foreign control decreased
Due to corruption, which elite wanted to keep
Liberal Party won presidential elections 1908
US withdrew April 1st 1909
Re-established lottery, legalised cockfighting
Conservatives now under General Menocal won 1912 &1916
Continued corruption: amassed $40m in two terms
Closely linked to American Economic interest, after having managed American sugar farm
Liberals rebelled again, against Menocal’s re-election, in 1917
US wouldn’t permit disturbance and intervened
Remained until 1923
Liberal Alfredo Zayas won presidency 1920
Crash of sugar prices brought economic problems
US General Enoc Crowder sent to Cuba as special representative Jan. 1921
In effect ruled Cuba until 1923
Became Ambassador after that
American in tight control
Every time, violence was threatened US intervened and restored order
During minor black rebellion 1912 in Oriente Province
As the losers of presidential elections staged or threatened rebellions four times from 1902 to 1924 (1908, 1917, 1919, 1921)
Þ Tried to prevent property loss
Cuban nationalism revived in last two years of Zayas administration
Consequence of Cuban sugar
This was due to foreign domination and monoculture
Students started by attacking inept and corrupt professors
Demonstrated for university reforms in 1922
Þ Students henceforth played important role in Cuban politics
Machado 1925 — 1933
Gerardo Machado y Morales, nationalist candidate for the liberal party became president in 1924
Although nationalistic close ties with America as he had worked for them
Began term well:
Ambitious program of public works
Attempted to institute program to control sugar prices (especially for small and medium sized companies
Encouraged agricultural diversity by imposing high taxes on rice etc.
Merit system for public bureaucracy
Established new technical and commercial schools
Wanted to reform prostitute laws in Havana
Þ Very popular, hardly faced opposition for two years
However, he was quite tyrannical
Political assassinations increased dramatically
Wave of strikes in 1925 put down brutally by police force
Most prominent Cuban Communist murdered in Mexican exile (1929)
Secured re-election by outlawing main rival, Carlos Mendieta (1928)
Þ Ruled with iron grip over Cuba until 1930
Increasing harsh economic situation was underlined by political unrest
General strike failed May 1930
Killing of student leader was followed by large demonstrations (Sept)
Firing of teachers and closing of University was answer
Mendita led last and unsuccessful attempt of old politicians to recapture power (August 31)
New, moderate alternative, the ABC, to the radical student unions developed for young middle class and intellectuals
This was answered by tighter censorship and increased terror from his secret police, Porra
USA became increasingly worried with terror threatening US institutions
April 1933, Pres. Roosevelt dispatched Sumner Wells to negotiate
Unsuccessful negotiations due to
Disunited opposition not being able to agree on pos.
Machado not wanting to compromise
Bus driver’s strike developed into general strike that paralysed the city
Machado massacred several demonstrators
Machado lost the support of Wells and the army
Þ Machado resigned on August 12th and fled to exile
The Revolution of 1933
Provisional government under Carlos Manuel de Cespedes could not stop escalating violence
Group of army sergeants and the Student Directory overthrew government on September 4th 1933.
Fulgencio Batista was a part of this overthrow.
The new government:
New junta had no political backing & views differed in regime.
Army wanted to defend new one power
Students sought genuine reforms
Power was handed over to Dr. Ramón Grau San MartÃ*n
Well known physician and opponent of Machado
Antonio Guiteras Holmes, student leader, & Batista also part of gov.
The government produced flurry of decrees:
Deleted the Platt Amendment
Eight —hour working day for labour
Established a labour department
Set an end to import of cheap labour from other Caribbean islands
Increased availability of higher education
Redistribution of land to peasants
Give women the vote
Eliminate usury (wucher)
Þ The government was however caught in a dilemma:
The left was dissatisfied due to lack of scope and depth of reforms
The Right opposed all reforms
Alienated Americans by suspending loan repayments and nationalising two American mills
Þ USA government did not recognize Grau government
The coalition disintegrated:
ABC thought Grau to radical and did not cooperate with him
Lost support of the extreme members of Student Directory
Communists attacked him as "petty bourgeois"
Wells persistently falsified documents and misrepresented the prov. Gov.
Allied with Batista
Was withdrawn Nov. 1933
The new US ambassador to Cuba was Jefferson Caffery:
formed new government with Batista as economic and politcal situation worsened
Grau was forced out of office in January 1934 and fled to exile
Was replaced by Carlos Mendieta
The Era of Batista, 1934-44
Fulgencio Batista y Zaldivar led Cuba first through puppet presidents (1934-40) and as president (1940-44)
Sergeant-stenographer
Son of a Sugar worker
Batista was alienated from ‘respectable’ elements of the upper and middle classes
However, he was extremely popular with mass of people
Presided over mild reform program
Some effort to redistribute land
Moved openly leftward in 1937 and supported labour unions and communists
The Auténtico Interlude 1944-1952
Batista allowed election for constituent assembly that Grau (Auténtico party) won
Constitution was liberal with protection of labour and limitations on the right of property
Batista won the presidential elections in 1940
He observed law that a president should not succeed himself
Grau defeated Batista’s candidate.
Grau became president in 1944
Although some reforms were initiated his period in government was dominated by violence and corruption
Heavily criticised, especially from Eddie Chibás from 1947
Eddie Chibás was charismatic populist leader
Former Auténticos member
Disillusioned and formed his own Cuban Peoples (Ortodoxo) party
Featured mild program of social reforms
Þ Became serious threat to Auténtico party
Eddie Chibás opposed Auténtico candidate Carlos PrÃ*o Socorrás in 1948 election.
PrÃ*o won the election as he had the advantage of thriving economy and control of electorate system
The corruption and violence continued
High sugar prices concealed mismanagement
ChÃ*bas was leading candidate for ‘52 election as Batista returned from retirement
ChÃ*bas committed suicide on a radio programme in August 1951
To awake Cuban public to extent of political corruption
Batista staged coup with help of low officers before the election, in March 1952
Cuban public, already disillusioned, did not protest
The Return of Batista as Dictator, 1952-1959
Like contemporaries he found it more difficult second time than first.
New, incorrupt type of revolutionaries presented threat.
Several groups, including the Auténticos, were plotting
Fidel Castro staged first, unsuccessful coup on July 26th 1953:
He, his troops and students attacked Moncada army barracks
Castro failed and was imprisoned
(1899-1902)
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I am sure Castro has his reasons for wanting to help. On the other hand they really dont have a choice if Castro says go then they'll go. Trust me talk to a Cuban who has managed to get out of Cuba and you'll understand.Quote:
I still stick to my belief that Castro is a bad guy but the Cuban people as a whole arent if they want to help let them, and if Castro asks for a "favor" later tell him thanx but no thanks... Sending aid to us should just be out of the generousity of his big ol Cuban heart
Interesting if he does the U.S. a favor in return all he'll get later on will be a "no thanks" ??? Trust me in the real world where politics are involved it nevers works that way. It's more like you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours later ....
The Medics simple in Cuba the education is free well not really as long as you promise to join the Party that is ... On the other hand what is education really worth in a country where your basically discouraged from asking questions and thinking independently ???Quote:
well the report i read said they were willing to send something like 19 tons of supplies and like 1400 medics ( I think, cant remember off the top of my head!) so where would they get all this? and if they are in such bad shape why would they send it to us?
Humm maybe this is a way for some of them to escape Cuba ??? Just maybe ...Quote:
Why would they? Perhaps they want to help and are giving out of their need
Not really it all depends on the individual. Just cause one human has more money then the other does not mean that the poorer one is being more generous ... It just means the the rich man has more resources available to him therefore allowing him to donate more ...Quote:
It's easy to give when you got too much...the poor are far more generous than the rich.
The rich are rich cause they tend to be real cheap [It also helps when everyone else is paying for your flights , food etc etc Why do you think movie stars go to the awards ?? ] and the poor just become poorer cause they choose to try and live a lifestyle that they cant afford ...
Goooooooooooooooooooooodddddddd morning Vietnam!
Egal what's so hard to understand? Kids back in the day had to practice WMD drills (Duck and Cover with "Bert the Turtle") http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/atomic/c.../duckncvr.html
Castro that slimy little communist ****, twinkle-toed fag down there who basically signed his own death warrant. Let's face it; he wanted to play big dog and point nukes at our children....................that comes with a heavy price. If Cubas people could vote with a real type of government......they could (they want to) be spending millions of tourist dollars on their own people. Again that government will never be trusted. Why do you say his people love him? Because you see his little Sadam like TV propaganda productions? Thousands of people float and swim to our soil each year with their own horror stories. Why because they can't overthrow the gov down there...............and that gov isn't getting anything from us until the PEOPLE of Cuba vote one in.
Dictators threatened to kill child ........ child scared.......child scarred for life.......child grows up......man remembers threats ............man tells his own children. (Cycle)
!matationrust last time they voted one in he was replaced by an Americain backed dictator. The Us only wants Cuba to be a second Porta Rico. They wont care what type of dictator is running the country as long as he is friendly to the US. As for pointing nukes, the US had nukes pointed at Cuba way before Cuba had tried to get nukes from the Russians.
So what you're saying is that you have read a classified etc... list of latitude and longitude coordinates of our Missile Defense System nuclear payloads?
Hi AS,
I have spoke to many Cubans...and of course they're going to swim, boat, or try to walk on water to get to America...they're poor and they hear how rich Americans are...just like the Mexicans, the Phillipians, Chinese, Indians, etc...and they all have their stories...it's called political asylum....it's how they circumvent the system other people like Neg have to go through....they're not going to kill the golden goose by singing the praises of Castro.
Simply...it's poverty these people are running away from...not Castro.
Hi Imitation,
I'm not saying Americans don't have a right to be pi@@ed about Cuba...two wrongs don't make a right...I'm just offering a little historical objectivism.
Eg ;)
There were a few other points I wanted to make but my head feels like it's been hit by a freight train right now so...if I remember...I'll continue where I left off later.
Muracu - you're full of crap. Speak on things you know about and stay away from things you don't.
Eggman - Of course we have the right. Castro said "I'm a communist! No, wait, I'm a capitalist!" Then when we were prepared to support him and aid him in power (and had already sent moneys and other goods to that effect) he said "Psyche!" - hence the butt stabbing.
Yes, we want Cuba as another Puerto Rico. Quiet, peaceful, cool place to visit. Don't get twisted off too badly when PR becomes state 51 (soon as we find a 52 worthy of joining - these things must be done by even numbers to keep the flag looking nicely ya know.)
I had the pleasure of serving with a Cuban during my stint in the Navy. He did quite a good job of explaining to me the history of the country of his birth, and why his family immigrated when Castro came to power. He couldn't explain why they love Castro as they do, but he assured me that the people there do love him. He described in detail what life for a Cuban was like from day to day, the economic problems, and why so many want to come to the US (yes, it's money, but just equal to that it's liberty - the freedom to speak as they wish without fear of reprisal). He told of a life of secret party police and those 'knocks on the door' we Americans associate with the Gestapo of WWII Germany or the KGB of the cold-war USSR. He told me about entire families being obliterated because one family member left on a boat to come to Miami.
Put away your bleeding heart for a bit Egg. I understand you sympathize with the 'more generous' poor Cubans in this, but please attempt to see the whys from this side of the fence too.
|3lack|ce What makes you think I dont know what I am talking about. If it is about the us having missiles pointed at cuba from the moment Castro allied with Russia then of course they had. The US stratigic command isnt stupid enought not to have targeted a few nukes on the closest hostile country during the cold war. Even ireland had a couple of nukes targeted at it from both sides just to stop the other side from using it as a base in the event of a war starting during the 60's.
as for "Muracu - your full of crap." you should really find some other way to start the discussion.
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No help from Cuba?!
Why would we refuse perfectly good and free help from Cuba just because of Castro?! I think that is stupid and makes me angry that our government cant get over stuff that happened over 40 years ago... im disappointed :(
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|3lack|ce's "full of crap" I believe stems from " you're talking out your arse" ;)
So where is the info on the warhead directions during the cold war.....before we flew a Dragon Lady over Cuba to obtain the FIRST photos. Surely we can't go on your word alone.
Yeah, and Saddam had these al-Amn al-Khas (Special Security), al-Amn al-'Amm (General Security), al-Istikhbarat (Military Intelligence), al-Mukhabarat (General Intelligence), and al-Amn al-'Askari (Military Security).Quote:
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He told of a life of secret party police and those 'knocks on the door' we Americans associate with the Gestapo of WWII Germany or the KGB of the cold-war USSR. He told me about entire families being obliterated because one family member left on a boat to come to Miami.
Kim Jong-il still to this day "breaking in" (raping) little virgins.............. I love how people are so quick to defend these people............really amazing................ they'll say "they're bad"/ "that's not the way to get rid of him"..........but at the end of the day they'll protect these dictators stability at all cost.
Hi l3lacklce,
Believe me I do understand the American side...and I could care less about Castro...but if we're are going to debate the problems then somebody needs to clarify the history that led up to the problems...Quote:
Put away your bleeding heart for a bit Egg. I understand you sympathize with the 'more generous' poor Cubans in this, but please attempt to see the whys from this side of the fence too.
America is NOT responsible for Cubans being poor...Castro is NOT responsible for Cubans being poor...the Cubans have always been poor...just like the Dominicans, the Haitians, even the Jamacians, etc...
that's what happens when you live on an island with few natural resources and few manufacturing centers...
England was poor too...until it built the largest military/navy in the world...
unless your a farmer .an island without tourism or manufacturing will make you poor fast...
there's more factors than Castro at work here...there's lots of blame to go around.
Hi Imitation,
The difference here is simple...Iraq has the resources to upgrade the life of it's citizens...so does Korea...Cuba ontheotherhand is an island with few resources left ( for reasons mentioned earlier ) so, getting rid of Castro will not solve the problem. The Cubans love Castro because he has improved the quality of life of Cubans despite the blockade...and would do much more if he could.
He may very well be a dictator, a tyrant, an evil SOB, but I can say with absolute certainty he's as patriotic towards Cuba as Americans are to the US.
This blockade has two purposes...to get rid of him ( which will never happen )...and to undermine him and his ability to improve the life of Cubans...
America cannot remove the blockade because then Castro will improve the life of Cubans as he said he would and they will love him even more...
so...America has to wait him out...and then, when he's dead, America can go in with their companies and their tourism and hopefully, this time, the mistakes of the past will not be repeated and the Cuban people will have jobs and money and life will be good.
Eg ;)
Rust - precisely.
Trust me my family went through the system in order to be here cause of the problems that were going on in El Salvador where I was born ... It's one thing being able to say that people circumvent the system but unless one has been in those shoes one does not truly understand why people do it. Not that I condone it in anyway since I'll be the very first person to say that's it wrong. But trust me when your born in a situation where it's either life or death sometimes people will break the rules.Quote:
Hi AS,
I have spoke to many Cubans...and of course they're going to swim, boat, or try to walk on water to get to America...they're poor and they hear how rich Americans are...just like the Mexicans, the Phillipians, Chinese, Indians, etc...and they all have their stories...it's called political asylum....it's how they circumvent the system other people like Neg have to go through....they're not going to kill the golden goose by singing the praises of Castro.
Just because the U.S. has put a blockade on them does not mean that those goods cannot be obtain from other countries ... i.e. Canada, Europe etc etc
Without a doubt they would have more money if there were a new democratic gov.... He was anti-USA from the beginning. He seized American properties and oppressed his people. What was the reason for putting nukes in for....... fur hats, BDU's, crystallines, vodka and a few blond Russian harlots?.......Yeah...... and when they want to start spending those millions in American tourist dollars they'll let us know.