How do you feel about being monitored on line?

Ok yes that is a fair point and it is not realistic to record that much data, and I am not a telecom engineer so I don’t really understand the infrastructure. I am much more comfortable with VOIP.

Everybody acknowledges that telephones are tapped; this discussion is about the Internet and cybercrime.

I am not suggesting that every single email and conversation is recorded. What I am saying is monitoring of suspects and the monitoring of everybody in public places. As you would with CCTV which has been shown to massively cut crime rates in city centers.

Yes it's a shock to me and I don't want to be monitored on the computer, but there are always exceptions going to colleges, librarys, computer cafes, **** like that. That is the most anynomity you could get, since it is not your machine. As far as e-mail goes and getting monitored for that it's outragous but then you have to think am I saying anything to get me introuble, do I really care? The government isn't going to criticize everyone based on there e-mails. Well there is nothing we can do accept sit back and watch since obviously there was no protests for the Ant-terroism act, which is what is going to allow the government to do that.

All is fair in love and war.----(bullshit, not to us)

I don't see why anyone should care if the govt moniters out traffic. Do you think they are really interested in what your doing of course not. They could care or less if you visit porn sites, auction sites or whatever. They just want to make sure your not envolved in a criminal act. So who gives a flying funk if the govt moniters our traffic. If it helps fight terriost and criminal acts they can spy on me all day.

I will never yield my civil liberties for any reason. However, I do not believe in the right to privacy. I will never be ashamed of who I am, what words I speak, or what actions I take. I will always hold myself responsible for the same.

However, the only laws I believe in are laws that protect our rights. I believe in punishing those guilty of violating the rights of others. I do not believe in limiting those who have not violated the rights of others.

I am monitored. I go to a private college, we have a high-speed network, and a DS-3 connection to the internet. Because it is a private network, we aren't under public laws.

I know what we can monitor and what we actually monitor, because I work in the network department. We have the technology that if we wanted to we could capture every packet, and see exactly what someone is doing. We also have the capability to see what compters each person is connection to, so that way we can see what web-sites, ftp-sites, irc servers, etc, that a person is connecting to. We could do all that, but we don't. Because we don't have the time.
Instead we monitor how much data is going out and in of eac machine, so that we can identify "rude" users that like to hog band-width.
This I accept, because when I signed the agreement that allows me to have my personal machine on the network, I read it, and it blatantly said that these monitoring activiities can go on, so it is a choice, either sign the doocument and gain the privilege of using the college's computer resources, or live without those privileges.

When it comes to the government doing that, I don't have a problem so long as it is done within the context of the Constitution (I am from the United States, if I was from somewhere else, I would expect it to be governed by that countries laws). So I expect that my transmissions won't be snooped unless there is a search/wire-tap warrant for them to do such. The only reason why I am so opposed for them to make a special case for the internet is because it would be a precedent, and then they could eventually use that precedent to close down my other liberties, whiich are in the constitution.
I don't use encryption except for when I am making online purchases (SSL), I don't see the need at this point, because I don't transmit data that I don't want people to see, because I run under the assumption that someone could be reading what I send, and I don't just mean the government.

I just don't want it to get to the point that if I say **** online, that a fine is charged automatically to my bank account for swearing, or so that if I say marijauna, the DEA busts through my door, or that if I come to AntiOnline, and write a post about how dumb I think my president is and how shittily he is handling the situation(and how we caused the situation by training rebels in Afghanistan to fight the terrors of communism) that I am marked as a terrorist/subverive and storm troopers bust through my door point guns at me(I HATE GUNS), drag me by my hair to soome deep dark hole and leave me there.
See, monitoring is all fine and good, but there is a point where it gooes WAY to far. That is why the united states has laws about searches/wire-taps etc that make it so there has to be a reason to invade someones privacy before doing it.

However, if I lived in a Socialist country, I would EXPECT everything I do to be monitored, because the net, the phone system, and what ever else, would be run by the government as a service to the people. But then I DON'T lie in one, so I don't want it to be done that way.

I do not like contradictions, and monitoring eveything that goes on in the net would be a contraditcion in the US because it would go against laws we have in the real world, and the net can't be a seperate entity, because it applies to real people. I want to be governed by one set of laws, that do not conflict with each other. Is that so much to ask? Or am I selfish?

dhej
(edited for spelling mistakes, but I am still not sure I said everything I wanted to)

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Originally posted by S_Tsirtonis


I feel that I can trust the UK government to respect my privacy.

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Now I've heard everything. Is that you Tony Blair? This will be my last post on the "lets give up our freedom and privacy" thread.

To me the net is free, and it should stay free.... This is the only place where i can look up subjects without being frowned apon, I like the fact that they dont monoter me....

Plus do you think that monotering would stop ANYTHING? just because encryption is made illegal here doesnt mean that a criminal wont use it, lol, i mean speeding is ilegal and we do it every day. Anything that is ilegal there are ways around it. These terrorist live in other countrys where they run the government, so their government is already regulating this, but it doesnt hurt them one bit, the only thing it will hurt is the American Internet Businesses, they will have to go through ALOT more to put up a simple website but in other countrys it will be easyer so people will go to them.

See my point???
THE INTERNET SHOULD STAY FREE, It is the only place where i feel at home.....

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What I am saying is monitoring of suspects and the monitoring of everybody in public places

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Just as clarification, what are you defining as public places?
The internet as a whole could be classed as a public place, to be fair.
I don't want to seend as though I am ragging on you, but in my opinion monitoring the internet would have to have some computing power and any convictions brought about by the monitoring of say most of the traffic in and out of the UK would probably be more down to luck than anything else.

Trusting the British government to respect your privacy could be a mistake. We (I live in england) have probably the most clandestine secret service in the world.
The CIA look like tabloid reporters compared to out lot.:D

its very eazy to get carried away with our patriotic feelings and say “hell yeah, do anything you need to”, which makes it even easier for those who would oppress us.
here in the US while our government was working out the details of an anti-terrorist bill, the recording industry’s lobbyists tried to slip in an amendment granting them the right to break into private citizens computers to delete copy written files, without having to pay for any damages that occurred in the process (if under 5k per year per computer). No need for due process, no court order. Guilty until proven innocent.
We need to watch’em all the time, make them stay in line. If we don’t it wont be long before we can’t say what were saying right now.
Its not too hard to imagine what some ambitious officer, politician or industry magnet, greasing the right palms, could do with a data base of every email, msg board/irc post ever sent by everyone.
In times of emergency we must make concessions, but lets make sure those concessions leave with the emergency.

long replys eh?

well i'm all for privacy and just because some people choose to abuse the power does not mean that all of us are. i believe that phil zimmerman said it best in the PGP docs: when privacy is outlawed, only the outlaws will have privacy.:mad: