You know what I meant. SHEESH.... Man creates nothing. But we do add language to concepts and basically what I was saying is that time is a man-observed concept. (better?) No other animals observe time. picky... picky... picky...
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You know what I meant. SHEESH.... Man creates nothing. But we do add language to concepts and basically what I was saying is that time is a man-observed concept. (better?) No other animals observe time. picky... picky... picky...
ok so what ur sayin is thgat as u approach the speed of light time stops or slows down
well how are u gonna explain tha to a person who is experiencing it because they are aware of evey thing around them as fas as they know time is sill going
the can count cant they?
oh i know they look down at their watch and see the hands arent moving right ?
here it is, time only exists to those who are aware!
oh and as far as quantum mechanics newtons laws do not and i repeat DO NOT APPLY!
if u were to look at an atom and observe its electrons you would see that the electrons
do not obey them. have you heard of the quantum leap?
the electrons do not follow a specific path and appear and reappear in totalt different places
so CHSH before u talk about thing, know what ur talkin about
Im out
No... I wonder where you came up with that idea from what I said....Quote:
Originally posted here by BERBURT
ok so what ur sayin is thgat as u approach the speed of light time stops or slows down
Even still, it is possible, depending on which frame of reference you're discussing.
What does this have to do with anything tht was said?Quote:
well how are u gonna explain tha to a person who is experiencing it because they are aware of evey thing around them as fas as they know time is sill going
the can count cant they?
oh i know they look down at their watch and see the hands arent moving right ? here it is, time only exists to those who are aware!
LOL! Perhaps you should try reading what I wrote. I did not state that Newton's laws described a universal truth, I merely said that it is applicable and functional up to a point. Perhaps reading and making an attempt to understand my post would have been a good thing to do before posting a reply to something I didn't say.Quote:
oh and as far as quantum mechanics newtons laws do not and i repeat DO NOT APPLY! if u were to look at an atom and observe its electrons you would see that the electrons do not obey them. have you heard of the quantum leap?
the electrons do not follow a specific path and appear and reappear in totalt different places
so CHSH before u talk about thing, know what ur talkin about
Im out
Actually, I didn't, otherwise I wouldn't have said what I did.Quote:
KorpDeath wrote:
You know what I meant. SHEESH.... Man creates nothing. But we do add language to concepts and basically what I was saying is that time is a man-observed concept. (better?) No other animals observe time. picky... picky... picky...
well chsh when u speak of the thoery of reletivity thats what ur sayin
about how time slows or stops we cant really say can we and
just because mr einstien says so doesnt convince me
personally how can one think to reach the speed of light with our fragile bodies anyway?
and when u speak of newton u are speaking of laws that do not apply in all cases
in using these two people as an example u support their observations.
First of all, when discussing physics it is rather useless to ask for proofs as there aren't any.
Physics doesn't deal with prooving stuff. They merly form a theory out of an hypothesis thru repeted experiements.
The thing is this. Einsteings general theory of realativity seems to work out. For it to work out, there can be no thing faster than light.
If light speed is a constant and one approaches that speed the time must slow down so that it will take you longer time to accelerate, in which case time slows a bit more in a Zenons paradoxial sort of way. Were you ever to travel at the samt speed as light, time would stand still.
Which by the way makes you wonder once again about Zenon and his arrow as this would be the infinitesimal slice of movement and thus, the arrow would be at rest?
Time is the dimention in which we are moving all the time. If time weren't everything would occur at the same time. Is this not "proof" enough for you.
Cheers,
First of all, you are incorrectly stating what the theory of relativity states, showing your lack of understanding of it. The theory of Relativity states that from a specific frame of reference, time appears to have stopped. Whether or not it actually does is an entirely different matter, which I don't think Einstein ever postulated.Quote:
Originally posted here by BERBURT
well chsh when u speak of the thoery of reletivity thats what ur sayin
about how time slows or stops we cant really say can we and
just because mr einstien says so doesnt convince me
Berburt, it's fantastic that just because someone says so it won't convince you. What should to convince you is the piles and piles of proof that back up Relativity.
I'd recommend you read the General Relativity FAQ at http://www.public.iastate.edu/~physi...elativity.html
Right, but you are still not hearing what I'm saying. I'm saying that Newton's laws, while flawed at points, still function in low speed environments. In a low-speed environment, Newton's laws are just as effective as general relativity at describing how the universe functions.Quote:
personally how can one think to reach the speed of light with our fragile bodies anyway? and when u speak of newton u are speaking of laws that do not apply in all cases
in using these two people as an example u support their observations.
Yes, I do support their observations because I have made similar observations as both Newton and Einstein did. I have observed that certain things they've said are correct and do indeed make sense. So have many many scientists, otherwise nobody would believe Einstein was correct.
I once read a novel called "Einstein's dreams", by Alan Lightman. Find more information & synopsis about the novel at http://www.english.uwosh.edu/einstein/sitemap.html . This fascinating novel speculates & pores over what would world be like if time existed in some different forms - quite hard to explain, you have to read it yourself...
If time weren't everything would occur at the same time. Is this not "proof" enough for you.
looking at this is not proof enough, how could one comprehend if things happened at the same time they just may be.... your life... my life for example is happening at the same time we just have different views and a different comprehention of time.
and u must expand on this statement before i can draw a conclusion
Time is the dimention in which we are moving all the time.
what the hell does that mean
if u were in a state of "no time" how would u be aware, and dont u think u would still have a sense of time?
of course u would nature has programed u to do so
but with this sense.
heres one more to think about
Dont u find it hard to take that for 8 hours or so , however long u normaly sleep
you practically dont exist.
no reason no ability to think nothing to separate u from the next sleeping person from the next besides the way u look?
But Berburt, I *write* this answer because you have *written* a post. Everything that happens around us is a matter of action and consequence. Everything.Quote:
looking at this is not proof enough, how could one comprehend if things happened at the same time they just may be.... your life... my life for example is happening at the same time we just have different views and a different comprehention of time.
You can travel in three spatial dimensions. Up-Down, Forward-Backward and Left-Right. These are our three dimensions. Time would be, in our case, a fourth dimension. But in time, we can only move forward or whatever you want to call the direction. We do so at a constant speed all the time and we can't do anything about it. This is what I mean.Quote:
what the hell does that mean if u were in a state of "no time" how would u be aware, and dont u think u would still have a sense of time?
of course u would nature has programed u to do so
but with this sense.
Concerning whether we'd be aware of disruptions in the time-space continuum it has been argued that if I were to travel at the speed of light everything would appeard normal for me but for those who watched me *my* time would stand still. Ie, when I leave the fast-traveling maching, I wont have aged as much as my friends who watched me.
This is really nothing to argue about since it can be proved and comprehended with very easy metaphors.
I recommend you to read the book "The elegant universe" by Brian Green.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0375708111
which explains this in detail. It is also a very interesting discussion of wheter quantum mechanics and the theory of relativity can be joined with the help of string theory.
For a most comprehensive discussion on n-dimensions, time and space I'd recommend "Flatterland" by Ian Steward. The book is sort of based on Flatland by Abbot.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0738204420
Thanks for a most interesting discussion,
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Originally posted here by Mankan
But Berburt, I *write* this answer because you have *written* a post. Everything that happens around us is a matter of action and consequence. Everything.
I just love the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy... :DQuote:
Anything that happens, happens.
Anything that, in happening, causes something else to
happen, causes something else to happen.
Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again,
happens again.
It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though.