"100 Years of Great Women."

Thanks jcmcb.
I´m dissapointed in you TotalChaos.
nuff said

I'm going to start off with quoting my self on this post on my opinion





This is for Pooh-Bear who gave me negative antipoints for "Check your bloody info first "

ok fact.
In 1971 Jane Fonda organized FTA, (**** the Army) a network of subversive political cells established at U.S. Army posts around the world and designed to weaken the Army by breaking down discipline and encouraging troops to go AWOL and refuse orders.

She went there to make turmoil and propaganda

Here are some quotes from her radio broadcasts

The Vietnamese fighters are her "friends."

"I want to publicly accuse Nixon here of being a new-type Hitler whose crimes are being unveiled."

"The Vietnamese people will win."

"Nixon is continuing to risk your [American pilots'] lives and the lives of the American prisoners of war … in a last desperate gamble to keep his office come November. How does it feel to be used as pawns? You may be shot down, you may perhaps even be killed, but for what, and for whom?"


"I am very honored to be a guest in your country, and I loudly condemn the crimes that have been committed by the U.S. government in the name of the American people against your country."


"We have understood that we have a common enemy — U.S. imperialism."

Those are Quotes from radio hanoi for the US serviceman and woman.

All this was said in a 2 week period in "1972" You tell me is that TREASON?

Ok one more Quote when Jane Fonda appeared on 20/20 and was interviewed by Barbara Walters
The Apology
"I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did," Fonda said. "I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm . . . very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."


Or try this

This is a good one
you will see I got the quotes from last link is from a book and if the info was wrong some one would sue by now.

And as you can see it does say that the story of the POW's handing her messages and her turning them over to the North Vietnamese was false, But it also confirms some of the other stories are true. So as far as I can tell it isn't all Urban Legend. As you read the the story you will see it sets the story straight and she did do a lot of things that in themselves are considered TREASON so if she did things which are considered TREASON then she is guilty of TREASON and is a TRAITOR and does not deserve any award for being included in the 100 years of great women.

ps. Sorry I cant give you more bloody info right now if needed I will.

Total -

First off, your post was a LIE! It told a story about someone you don't like that DIDN'T happen. Maybe Jane Fonda is a stupid person, maybe she shouldn't be on some imaginary list of 100 Greatest Women, but that doesn't excuse you posting inaccurate information. If Jane Fonda wanted to, she could sue you for defemation of character, libel, and slander....and she would win....

Oh and BTW

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"The Vietnamese people will win."

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They did....

First of all did you read the two links in my last post? How can you say it was a lie. She did say all those things in her radio broadcast, and she pose for those pictures. The last post I did those were all direct quotes from her so how it is a lie. OOH BTW the list is not imaginary it is the LADIES HOME JOURNAL LIST.
Here are some definations for you. How can it be slander if it is TRUE. The things she said in her broadcasts

Quote:

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"I am very honored to be a guest in your country, and I loudly condemn the crimes that have been committed by the U.S. government in the name of the American people against your country."

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and her actions are subversive ( : a radical supporter of political or social revolution) and treason is disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior. I really don't know how much clearer you can get. And if is was all a lie why did she apologize?, How did the book get published?
I am not saying that some of the things said about her were not false or were not exaggerated case in point, the story about pows passing her notes, that was proven to be false and I stated that. You can not argue what she said in her broadcasts! she was totally supporting our enemy.

And I think you missed the whole point of the original post.........Somebody sent that to me in my Email and I put it up and asked for other people's opinion, leaving out my own.

subversive

adj : in opposition to a civil authority or government [syn: insurgent, seditious] n : a radical supporter of political or social revolution [syn: revolutionist, revolutionary, subverter]
Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

treason

n 1: a crime that undermines the offender's government [syn: high treason, lese majesty] 2: disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior [syn: subversiveness, traitorousness] 3: an act of deliberate betrayal [syn: treachery, betrayal, perfidy]
Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

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I am sorry, I was refering to your original post, I though I was clean... damn this imperfect english language...

As for your second post, yeah your right, she was stupid...the road to hell is paved with good intentions...

And this is real...but is the Ladies Home Journal? Remember - there is no spoon....

Seriously though, bad form on the orignal post, but good save...

Can I ask one simple question? Who cares? I certainly don't, and if any Vietnam vet is going to get up in a fuss about something as stupid as this after having endured the torture and beatings of being in a POW camp, they need to sit back and try and put things in perspective. If people could learn to let things go and not hold on to some grudge like children, they'll find it a lot easier to move on with their lives. Nobody died because of Jane Fonda. Nobody was tortured because of her. She wasn't the one hanging a soldier by his broken arm. She didn't beat them. If you're going to accuse someone of being a bad person, at least do it for a reason other than 'they have a different opinion'. The public obviously wasn't too outraged, they still went to see her films and bought her workout videos.

The basic fact is that this is their magazine, they can put whomever they want in it on their lovely little list. It doesn't change anything at all, does it?

People really need to start getting REAL and stop worrying about the stupid little things.