How long until Knowledge is illegal?

to be honest i've never quite understood the american obsession/distrust/fear of government. On one hand, american democracy is held up to the world as a model that countries should strive to emulate...and on the other hand...there's this complete distrust (warranted or not)...

i'm not saying one should trust the gov't (and probably shouldn't)...just that it's a strange circumstance...

to me, it comes down to one thing that is truth for all democracies...and especially rings true in the US, is that there are an awful lot of people who are up in arms about what gov't is "doing" to them..and yet most don't take the time to vote...what was the turn out in the last presidentials ...30%?...seems to me that something like 100 million people didn't vote...i've always been of the opinion that if you don't vote you don't have a right to complain...

as my ex-hippy american wife says...you want to change the system...you gotta be involved...

http://www.eff.org/
http://www.efc.ca/
http://www.pff.org/
http://insight.mcmaster.ca/org/efc/p...le/censor.html
http://www.oneworld.org/internatpen/
http://www.pencanada.ca/
http://www.hrw.org/
http://www.pfaw.org/
http://www.aclu.org/
http://www.cdt.org/index.html

and many more....

volunteer some time..make a donation...write a letter...

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On one hand, american democracy is held up to the world as a model that countries should strive to emulate...

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well if you ask an ignorant person about america being a democracy. he/she will answer the question with the first thing that comes to their mind. talk to an average person about hacking, he will have negative thoughts, just what is being potrayed by the mainstream media.

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and on the other hand...there's this complete distrust (warranted or not)...

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there are more than 1 sides to every thing. at least these people question what the hell is going on in this world rather than being fed the information.

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and yet most don't take the time to vote

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half of the people here are under 18 and smarter than our politicians. then why dont they get to vote. shouldnt they have a say on who should "govern" (as people call it) their country.

Brain washing is expensive. Taxes would have to go up and people would revolt. Um unless they Brain wash you first and then raise taxes, then you wouldn’t care. hm that’s a brain teaser. Oh well nothing like an ice-cold beer to cure your paranoia.

I can say without a doubt that I do not trust the government because I used to work for them. I know first hand how sneaky and underhanded our government really is. And as for voting, our votes mean absolutely nothing in electing the president. It is all based on the electoral college, which means that x number of people decide who the next prez will be not joe blow sitting at home. The reason that alot of us are "paranoid" about our security...... just look around. How much did we lose buy Clinton giving the Chinese all of those ballistic missile secrets? How long are we gonna shake our finger at other countries and tell them to stop picking on us?

To put it simple: Not Long.

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Well, how 'bout that? Whoever says you can't control the politicians or the political process must have been out grabin' a quick toke when PolySci-001 and Power Politics-001 went flyin' by. This month, in most places, there were neighborhood meetings where ordinary blokes like you and me tried to convince their neighbors why they should be elected a delegate to the upcoming county party conventions. That's where the district (neighborhood) delegates decide who runs for sheriff, co. commission, assessor, or whatever. Those same neighborhood meetings decided which of their neighbors went to state conventions to determine who will be running for the state legislature, u.s. senate, congress, or maybe governor from their state. That's the meeting where you get together and put those delegates on the hotseat and make them take a stand on the things that are important to you. Then you all (delegates) get together and decide who you want to see on the ballot. Now, if you're 18 years old, (or will be before the county convention), and you haven't gone to the neighborhood meetings and got yourself elected as a delegate, then ...shame...on...you! All you're probably going to be able to do for four more years is bitch into the prevailing wind and let it take your complaints into the stratosphere, because the sheriff, the county commissioner, the assessor, the mayor, your state legislators, and your state's senators and congressmen just plain don't know who you are or what's important to you, and you are not on their subconscious list of people they'd like to keep happy. The only other way to have impact is to form a group with enough votes to impress your legislators, show them your massive member list and tell them what's eatin' yer hide. And as for "not trustin' the government", probably most people really mean they don't trust the power-hungry bureaucrat operating outside the box. Or the rogue officer that goes unnoticed until he gets his section in a lawsuit. It isn't our "government" that wants more power or control than the constitution was meant to allow, it's the power-hungry a$$#0l3 who got himself hired into a position where he can feed his ego. Otherwise, if he couldn't use his government position to harass you he'd be back in the old 'hood, just one more lowlife piece of $#!t bloke that beats women and kids for recreation. But guess what? That yoyo you're worried about works for an appointed boss somewhere up the line who desperately wants your senator to vote for his budget! I'm not saying to trust "them", I'm just saying to get off yer arse and help the rest of us *do* something about the occasional "them" you are worried about. That's your challenge for the day. :D

well people we live in the land of freaks,and the home of the slave,
but we are all slaves here in america.yes we have right to free speach,but u get arrested 4 it ,
u can carry arms ,but u 2 get arrested 4 it .WE HAVE NO FREEDOM,AND NEVER DID.they will have chips in our wrists,and leashes in our asses.they lock up the innocent,and free the guilty.like a famous star once said MONEY TALKS,BULLSHIT WALKS,and its tru.hell u can get away with murder ............if u have money.its all about tax the poor feed the rich.everything is illegal.even the constution says.....ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL,but didnt the men who rote that own slaves? MAY I BE SO BOLD TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD TAKE BACK WHATS RIGHHTFULLY OURS.....................BUT WHO AM I TO SAY .................IM A SLAVE LIKE U

ACCESSOVERRIDE

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well if you ask an ignorant person about america being a democracy. he/she will answer the question with the first thing that comes to their mind. talk to an average person about hacking, he will have negative thoughts, just what is being potrayed by the mainstream media.

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Hacking as it is portrayed in media IS a bad thing. It is illegal for starters.

I think this whole debate is quite silly to be honest because half of it is made up by script kiddies and 15-year olds that think it's really cool to act all paranoid as a sign of beeing elite.

I mean, honestly, why would anyone like to monitor a site like 2600? It's not like "they" would put a logger on the server and then trace every IP to their respective ISPs and match them against the ISPs uptime logs for every user.

Also. In a democracy you are part of "them". Stop bitching and get in to politics if you want a change.

Cheers

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Originally posted here by accessoveride
well people we live in the land of freaks,and the home of the slave,
but we are all slaves here in america.yes we have right to free speach,but u get arrested 4 it ,
u can carry arms ,but u 2 get arrested 4 it .WE HAVE NO FREEDOM,AND NEVER DID.they will have chips in our wrists,and leashes in our asses.they lock up the innocent,and free the guilty.like a famous star once said MONEY TALKS,BULLSHIT WALKS,and its tru.hell u can get away with murder ............if u have money.its all about tax the poor feed the rich.everything is illegal.even the constution says.....ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL,but didnt the men who rote that own slaves? MAY I BE SO BOLD TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD TAKE BACK WHATS RIGHHTFULLY OURS.....................BUT WHO AM I TO SAY .................IM A SLAVE LIKE U

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Man, this is scary. You obviously don't know the first thing about freedom. Try living in a coummunist or facist state for a few years. Either you are very naive, ignorant or have listened to Rage against the machine one too many times.
You don't get arrested for speaking your mind and I haven't read enough to comment on your statement on gun control but I don't understand what the fuss is about. Who are you to carry a gun anyway?
I'd feel alot safer if people like you, living in a democracy, yet calling himself a slave, wasn't alowed to carry guns.

geez.

Heh heh, right on!! In an nutshell. . .