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Ouroboros, well said.
i wish... no i demand, people stop pushing the responsibilities for THEIR kids off on me. arnt responsible parents SUPPOSED to view the contents of ANYTHING before their children get it.
legislation and enforcement of legislation cost ME and everybody else money. enforcement of legislation makes an already bloated government even more bloated and gives them yet another excuse to root themselves even deep into our lives.
i don't ****en want them there ! its really pissen me off !
xpaciscool, i gota tell ya, i personally don't play very many games. at least not the kind you buy in boxs, but, i don't know anyone who dosn't, and i don't know anyone under 18. the people i work with and many of my friends outside of work, have their names on waiting lists for gamming ****. Theres a really large market for adult (non pron) games.
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My final thoughts (and a few clarifications)...
I am 25, and an expecting parent(July 11th, or so the doctors say). I have been a gamer since the Intellivision II. I have owned almost every game system since then (don't ask how much $ this has cost me...it's too much). I am amazed as anyone about the technical advances in the industry as anyone else. Part of those advances is in the storytelling, the themes, the ideas. And having grown up as an "Old-School" Gamer, as I have...I have grown with the industry, I suppose. I can understand the restrictions on certain games, but those seem to be avoidable 'laws'. What I CAN'T understand is the certainty of some people that music, movies, and/or video games are causing the problems of today's society. If someone(a child, and adolescent, or adult) can be influenced by the most extreme form of unreality(as opposed to board games...but hey, I played RISK like a maniac, too)...I take issue. Not with the creators, publishers, distributors of such things, video games in particular...but rather with the structures of the lives of 'modern' children.
Parental responsibility is disappearing, slowly but surely...and I despise that very idea. "It's not my fault, it's the TV, the Movie, the Music, the Book, the Video Game..." But whose fault is it, really? Who says, "Hey, sit down and watch TV while I get ready to go. or "If you wake up early, watch some TV."? Upon HER interest spawned by ME, her PARENT, my step-daughter watches the Discovery Channel, the History Channel, etc., but also enjoys playing Resident Evil, Devil May Cry, GTA3, etc... Why am I proud of her? Because she has the innate intelligence to recognize the difference between REAL atrocities, and FAKE ones, even if she is committing them, in the latter case. Isolated children are a mistake, for they are the ones that are most vulnerable to the evil influences. Like it or not, that's just the way it is... Do I fear that my stepdaughter or my biological daughter(7-11) will become 'enchanted' by these things and commit crimes in response? No.
She(they) know(s) better. How did she(they) learn better? From her parents. From me and mom...we actually care in a way that doesn't involve blaming others for our weaknesses. We try, we love, we teach, and THEY KNOW.
Ouroboros
p.s. Airhead, I did not mean to attack you, but I am very vehement about this topic...forgive me.
And to those in doubt... the percentage of the gaming populace is right around 35% for those under 18 (for obvious reasons), and 65 percent above 18 yrs old. Oh, that silly Mario...
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I agree with the emotions expressed here, if not the way they were expressed. Ourbouros, I understand what you are saying, but I agree with Airhead that it may have been more readable if you had left a few of the **ck's out....
It is hard as a parent to know where to draw the line with some things. I have a six year old son, and he is in the "in-between" age right now. I try to keep him to G rated movies, but he is very interested in some that aren't, and if I watch them and approve them, then he watches them. Our current battle right now is over Spiderman, which he would give his left arm to see, but it is PG-13, and I am definitely not comfortable with him watching that....at least until I see it. On the other hand, two of our favorite movies are the Mummy, and the Mummy Returns, both of which are PG-13...but he didn't see them until I did.
I think that is part of where the current generation of parents is going wrong...they give up the fight, because it is a hassle. Being a parent is by definition a hassle...that's what you spend the next 18 or so years doing. If you're not up to the battle, then you shouldn't have children, and if you have unexpected children (which I don't understand with the number of birth control options available, but that's another thread.) you immediately become responsible for that child--not the government, not the schools, not teachers, not day care workers...YOU are responsible for that child.
Deb :D
BTW...I'm 28, and we play video games...my husband, my son and I all play them. It's not an entirely child-driven market.
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I think the general problem is that many parents today don't take responsiblity for raising their children. I live in a city where young offenders steal cars and I mean a lot of cars! Some of these kids have 60 convictions or more. Our laws don't make them responsible, they serve no time in detention centers or jails. they just keep stealing cars. The law allows them to continue the behaviour but who is responsible for teaching them they shouldn't START the behaviour? The parent/s. You can blame society, video games, movies, music all you want but the bottom line is parents need to teach their children. Sure kids listen to their peers, movies, video games etc, but if the basic knowledge of what is real and what is not, what is right and what is wrong is instilled in them, these things won't have the negative effect that they get the rep of having.
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Your tax dollars at work.
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Hey this isnt the YMCA!?!? whats going on here..hello? ::smoker::
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Originally posted here by xpaciscool
Ouroboros, I agree with you. I may be drifting a little bit off the subject here, but hear me out.
My question is What Age group plays video games?
WHY the **** do they make games that aren't appropriate for kids . The game i was trying to rent was about a fuking squirrel. I bet the percentage of people who play gamez who are over 18 iz less than 10%.
Why make a game if only 10 percent of your audience can play it?
well go online to a game like DAoC and do an age survey. Now we are going to have to assume that people are being honest in their answers, but I did one earlier. Out of the people that responded in both my guild and the groups that I was in an overwhelming 90% of them were over the age of 21. Now the real kicker was that 50% of those were over the age of 30. Now I'm not saying that it's average to have that many 30+ people playing vid games, but I'm just telling you what I saw. The sample I took this from was around 100 or so people... and NO it wasn't scientific.
Also head out to your local Babbages/Software Etc/Electronics Botique and watch the crowd of folks that are buying games.
that's right you guessed it. White, male, age range 18-25. It's a fact. :)
El Diablo
the devil made me do it :p
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