Great idea, we could all work together as a team and hack porn sites and post our treaures here :D
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Great idea, we could all work together as a team and hack porn sites and post our treaures here :D
we can talk about subject as long as we are mature and choose our words carefully
such as instead of "how do i hack hotmail" try "has hotmail ever had a public release on being hacked? or ever haveing a flaw sploited by a "hacker""
just twist ur words in a way that u sound like u dont want to know , but still get them to tell u
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hmm here's my point.. AO is good.. its great.. its fast paced, and up dated..
but when it comes to dedicated hackers... we're fresh out.
That's because most of the people at AO don't really have much technical knowledge when it comes to exploits and security flaws. I've been around here for a while now, on the forums and IRC, and I haven't met many AO'ers who have had real experience writing in Assembly and low level C (ie. exploit territory). I've met some, but not many. I don't claim to be some sort of exploit guru hacker/coder but I am a reasonable programmer, so I feel I am in a position to comment on this issue. Put it this way: I was a programmer long before I ever had any interest in networks and security.
Like most people at AO, I get annoyed when so-called lamers ask "how do I hack hotmail" type questions. But sometimes I get even more annoyed with the people who reply to these posts when it is obvious that the person replying is just as ignorant as the person who asked the original question.
My point is this:
If you know nothing about the answer to a question is don't flame the person who asked it just because it's the cool thing to do at AO.
A lot of people from other security sites view AO as a message board for wannabe do-gooders. If you don't believe me do some searching around and you'll see what I mean. Older members will know what I'm talking about.
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Ok this is going to sound like another AntiPoint bitch but I warned you so... There isn't much chance of people posting their own exploits if all the feedback they get is negative points from half-wits who haven't even touched source code before.Quote:
we need top of the line members to help build the image of this site and so as help the newbies better
Don't get me wrong, I like the AntiPoint system if only for the fact that it keeps flaming down to a minimum. If you compare the "flame-level" at AO to other sites you'll see that we get off very lightly in the flame department.
But this has come at a price. If a person mentions exploits or hacking in a post, more often than not, they are "booed into submission" with negative points. They're not likely to want to share any more knowledge after treatment like that are they? I don't know what the answer is to this but maybe some other people have ideas?
JP: The AO public has spoken and the ball is in your court to provide some direction for the masses.Quote:
AO was a lot more better when i first joined here.. and im sure a lot of members would agree that AO was much better years before.. and now AO's progress is slowing down..
I do concede that JP is trying to organise an AO wargames project which is a big step in the right direction but can more be done? Also, should all the reponsiblity be on JP to make the site better? JP has 24 hours in his day like everyone else. Maybe it's time for others to step up and take some responsiblity.
I will tell you what i think would be pretty cool. AO is supposed to be nearlyunhackable when it comes to security, right? However a person going under the alias n1non did the impossible and hacked AO, Since this flaw that led to the compromise of AO is fixed, or i hope it is anyway, i would like to know how he did it. I am sure that i am not the only curious one? I dont see the harm because this flaw has already been worked out and that method of attacking should no longer be possible, I do not agree with malicious hackers or the damage that they sometimes cause but sometimes i find myself in awe of someone who can hack a website with the reputation that AO has, i mean JP is an expert, one fo the best, has worked with the govt before because of his high level of skill. Yet there was one guy out there who had the knowledge to get passes all of the security, am i the only one who has a certain type and level of respect for people like this? Before you flame me, i dont mean respect because of what he did, i mean respect because unlike so many others, he the skill and the knowledge to accomplish what is almost impossible. I read JP's response and he said that it was 1 in 9 million, that just blows my mind to think that out of 9 million people there was only 1 guy who was good enough to do it. Just something to think about =)
I don't know if he was brave or stupid trying to hack AO but, **** yeah, I'd love to know how he did it.Quote:
I will tell you what i think would be pretty cool. AO is supposed to be nearlyunhackable when it comes to security, right? However a person going under the alias n1non did the impossible and hacked AO, Since this flaw that led to the compromise of AO is fixed, or i hope it is anyway, i would like to know how he did it. I am sure that i am not the only curious one? I dont see the harm because this flaw has already been worked out and that method of attacking should no longer be possible, I do not agree with malicious hackers or the damage that they sometimes cause but sometimes i find myself in awe of someone who can hack a website with the reputation that AO has, i mean JP is an expert, one fo the best, has worked with the govt before because of his high level of skill. Yet there was one guy out there who had the knowledge to get passes all of the security, am i the only one who has a certain type and level of respect for people like this? Before you flame me, i dont mean respect because of what he did, i mean respect because unlike so many others, he the skill and the knowledge to accomplish what is almost impossible. I read JP's response and he said that it was 1 in 9 million, that just blows my mind to think that out of 9 million people there was only 1 guy who was good enough to do it. Just something to think about =)
Thank you smirk, i was hoping that the first response i got from that post would be a positive one, when it is negative some people tend to play follow the leader, and trash whoever posted the topic =) I dont think prosecution is likely in hacking a site as high profile as AO, that would get public attention and that is not good. It would look really bad in the news i think, on AO that is. I read somewhere that most buisnesses dont prosecute hackers for the same reason, bad reputation when it comes to security and their buisness that is. As for n1non, the guy must be some kind of genius, in my mind i get the fantasy image of his ina drak room with an evil grin hacking away like it is somekind of movie, sweat rolling of his forehead hehe( i have seen too much tv :D ) in reality the guy was probably munching on some McDonalds while he was doingit, thinking to himself, "oh man this is gonna be soooo cool" Who knows, ya just can never tell these days.
lol well.. my intention is not how to teach people how to hack or something.. my plan is to let people post findings security holes.. programming errors.. and the post better have a patch for the hole found.
i know we do this on AO at present by posting security news found on different sites.. and yes they are reliable information.. but wouldnt it be more reliable if our source are the white hats who found those wholes themselves? wouldnt be better if we know the security issues first hand rather than taking the word of websites (who could be wrong)
but yeah.. thats just my 2c.. i know this idea is risky. coz it is crossing the thin line between security and hacking.. but my intentions are noble.
Smirc has a point.....John has only so many hours in the day. Let's all step up to give him a hand :D.
Well, if anyone is using phpbb2 with the card mod, I discovered this security hole which allows any anonymous user to ban any and every account from the forums, bar admins, and also re-enable any banned users. :(
Greetings:
Well, I've certainly tried to start "Group Projects" but the response has been far less than impressive. It seems that most people in this "community" like taking from it, but aren't big on the "giving back to it" part of things.
For example. MsMittens was nice enough to take charge and start the "AntiOnline Newsletter". However, despite many pleas, we have had hardly ANY articles turned in for the past 2 issues. Oh, we get plenty of posts "I loved it, when's the next one coming out", but MsMitten's PMbox has been empty of "The newsletter is a great idea, here's an article by me to help it along".
I'm investing HUGE amounts of money and time to develop the wargame network, which will be public in the not too distant future. I'm sure litterally thousands of people will sign up to use it.
Take, take, take, take, take, take, take.
*I ask for artcles, I get nothing except "why hasn't the latest issue come out yet!#@!".
*I ask for a small donation to the MDA, I get "you shouldn't be using this site to ask people for money!@#$!" or "I'm on welfare" or "I'm on disability". or my favorite "I'll contribute any way I can to this community, I just can't give money to any charity/person because I can't afford it". Ok, where was your AntiOnline Newsletter Article then Mr. "I help out any way except financially".
Here's another one of my favorites. As you all know, AntiOnline isn't a pay-per-view website. No subscription fees, no membership fees, nothing. As you might also have guess, especially by recent upgrades, I invest a LOT of money into keeping AntiOnline up and running. I mean a LOT of money. So, obviously, I need a way to make that money back. How, you might ask? Well, advertising of course! We work hard to get big-name advertisers interested in our site, so that we can use them to help support the community. Despite all of this, I've seen dozens and dozens of posts, and discussions on IRC, and even e-mails and PMs to me, saying "I really don't care about this ad or that ad, or whatever, because I use an Ad blocker and I don't see any of them!" Great.
Take, take, take, take, take, take, take.
In the past, I've thought about updating the AntiPoints system, or come up with some other system, that will recognize people for contributions to the community. However, I decided that I wasn't going to resort to coming up with ways to "force" people into giving back.
I'm just sitting back, watching things unfold, and hoping that this community, which is a new one, will mature..............