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Further Updates here: http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp...0&nav=0Rde98yh and a new article related to this case here: http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp...v=0Rde98yh9A9J The bill I mentioned earlier in the thread had also passed the House, mainly due to this case. Information on this bill is located here: http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp...v=0Rde98yh99Mm
This is the worst case of this kind I've seen yet :(.
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Originally posted here by Leviatan
The problem today is that kids know more about computers then their parents do, parents need to be able to monitor what the kids do and what sites they visit but it's virtually impossible, unless if you have JP as your dad or something. Holland has a lot of these cases, in fact some 23 year old programmer flew all the way to the USA to meet a 13 year old girl who happened to be an FBI agent. He'll serve years in prison while here all you get is a few months or a stupid warning.
You 2 guys just hit the nail on the head. I've been saying it for YEARS!!!!!!!! PEOPLE NEED TO BE MORE SECURITY AWARE AND MORE AWARE OF HOW THE INTERNET WORKS. It's the ONLY WAY that you are ever going to be able to curtail the rising tide of these cases. The FBI says this problem is getting WORSE, not better. And we know that no one was aware of what was occuring because the Feds said so, not her Dad (who was the one that bought her the box and is now beside himself) nor her Aunt.Quote:
Originally posted here by Vorlin
These are my opinions...
Education of how computers work, security, and whatnot can be the life-saver for events like these. If the parents decided to actually be more involved in what their daughter was doing online (which apparently and obviously was a shitload more than "using it as a resource"), they'd still be talking to her today. Why don't the police want to release how long the convos were going on? Because that would almost be releasing what they talked about and you KNOW what they "talked" about. Here's a primary case of a 13 year old girl either trying to be an adult online where nobody knows the truth but her and in this case, chances are she was talking about what she'd "do" to him if she ever met him. They meet, she backs down because she's 13 with no clue, he gets pissed and kills her.
Does this mean she "got what she deserved"? Not by death, no..that's extreme. Maybe if she got beat down once she'd have realized that you don't pull **** like this on the internet. And it's both ways...the guy should've just dropped her like a bad habit the minute he knew she was 13 (or when they met). Instead, he's looking at bad **** rolling downhill because NOW, he's an illegal alien who just murdered a 13 year old American girl after sexxing her up online. The sad thing is is the parents "want to get it out in the open" but they're not taking any blame for it. It's just as much their fault as it is hers and this guy's...
If the parents were more active with their *****ing Compaq computer (or Dell or Gateway..you know it's a pre-packaged POS because they don't know better), they'd know what to look for and what to watch out for. If the girl actually talked to them, if they talked to her, etc etc..a thousand 'what ifs' are in order here but now, because of a bunch of mistakes all rolled into one, she's gone and a brazilian man is gonna hang out to dry.
Try not to think that if it were a guy found dead or whatnot, it wouldn't have half the attention it gets...
the problem is not taken seriously (yet) by the authorities, good post, -Leviatan
Leviatan has also hit the nail on the head with this AntiPoint comment he left me. Authorties are still too REACTIVE when it comes to Internet cases due to the way our laws are written, lack of training, and lack of staff. The solution is for them to take a more PROACTIVE role, which they can't do untill they fix the above problems I just mentioned. It's going to be a while :(.
I'm all for the proactive approach to this kind of law enforcement.
Unfortunately it will never be as good as parents who care and watch over their childrens actions.
Law enforcement has to go to the source, and this means monitoring every chatroom,IRC channel, Instant messenging, for sicko's like this guy trying to set up meetings with children. As you can imagine this would be a huge undertaking, that in the end, could have be replaced with good ole fashion parenting.
Its not like this was a guy who was stalking children at an elementary school, where a cop on the beat could have prevented this evil person from committing such an act, it started in the home, where the parent/guardian really has the control.(I'm sure that the 13 year old didn't go out and purchase the computer herself, pay for the isp/telephone line)
Then again I'm torn. It has become so that good people of society cannot rely on other people to watch over their own kids. As a side effect, society is compassionate( and rightly so) towards these poor victims, and we feel that there should be changes.
I think there should be a mix. Increased awareness in law enforcement is a must, but is futile without awareness in the home.
You just hit the nail on the head AGAIN :)Quote:
Originally posted here by Tachyon
I'm all for the proactive approach to this kind of law enforcement.
Unfortunately it will never be as good as parents who care and watch over their childrens actions.
Law enforcement has to go to the source, and this means monitoring every chatroom,IRC channel, Instant messenging, for sicko's like this guy trying to set up meetings with children. As you can imagine this would be a huge undertaking, that in the end, could have be replaced with good ole fashion parenting.
Its not like this was a guy who was stalking children at an elementary school, where a cop on the beat could have prevented this evil person from committing such an act, it started in the home, where the parent/guardian really has the control.(I'm sure that the 13 year old didn't go out and purchase the computer herself, pay for the isp/telephone line)
Then again I'm torn. It has become so that good people of society cannot rely on other people to watch over their own kids. As a side effect, society is compassionate( and rightly so) towards these poor victims, and we feel that there should be changes.
I think there should be a mix. Increased awareness in law enforcement is a must, but is futile without awareness in the home.
As stated before, people need to become more "Internet-literate" and security aware. But one of the biggest problems I see is that the personal computer has become just like the game consoles and is a babysitter. Turn the kids loose and ya don't have to worry about them for a while. Sad commentary on our society, but for the most part, I believe it is true.
And as for the comments about proactive law enforcement, Monday our state division of criminal investigation along with local police arrested a man from another state who crossed a state line to have sex with a "15 y/o girl" he met on the Internet who turned out to be an undercover agent. They have had a lot of success with these stings, but it makes me wonder - for all the arrests they have made how many more of these creeps are getting away with their crimes?
I feel very sorry for the whole family involved....what do you say when things like this happen. I have been sitting here trying to think of a way to keep this from happening.......I am stumped! I can watch my own child as he grows and ensure the proper things take place for his saftey and my own. Hence my involvement with this site.
What I have managed to think up is....we need a new kind of program....way beyond NET Nanny (which I really am unsure of due to ..I have never seen the program) That would ensure compleate saftey from the outside world. An invisable program that the top minds themselves create. Now as we all know that every program created is a challenge for other minds to get around and over come.
I know a tiny fraction of what is offered on this site and it has heaped me with excellent knowledge (thanxs all) how do we get parents to learn this knowledge...Unfortunatly some parents are unwilling to learn and take part in the day to day lives of their children. Which is truly sad. Then we have things like this happen and every one says " How could this have happened?" Now I am not condemning the parents they I am sure have done enough of it to themselves. I am going to say that we all need to take part in the lives of our family and friends....next time it could be your cousin ..your sister....your aunt anyone at all....Lets all watch those we love and hope for the end of crimes like this.
Unfortunately a new invisible program is not the answer.
To keep this short. My wife and I are planning(seriously, never thought I would buy pregnancy tests off the net =P) on having children, and I plan on getting my son/daughter computer literate as soon as possible. But I want to be there ever step of the way.
If I feel at anytime that my child is in danger(whether it be in real life or on the net) thats were I step in. If I see that my child is going onto chat rooms and talking suggestivly or is getting comments from others on 'meeting places' thats when I pull the plug. If I'm not around, no computer, until my child understands that those kind of people are dangerous and should be avoided. Until then the cat5 and nic card are being locked up(literally)
We would not drive our children to 'bad' areas of town because they want to meet someone.
Perhaps a bad analogy, but I think it make my point.
Alright I'm done on the subject. No more opinions from me. I'll do some research and see what measures are in place in my community, and support those in place and advocate for new ones.
A great post - I'd give you greenies but I just gave you some. PLEASE keep me posted on what you find out :)Quote:
Originally posted here by Tachyon
Unfortunately a new invisible program is not the answer.
To keep this short. My wife and I are planning(seriously, never thought I would buy pregnancy tests off the net =P) on having children, and I plan on getting my son/daughter computer literate as soon as possible. But I want to be there ever step of the way.
If I feel at anytime that my child is in danger(whether it be in real life or on the net) thats were I step in. If I see that my child is going onto chat rooms and talking suggestivly or is getting comments from others on 'meeting places' thats when I pull the plug. If I'm not around, no computer, until my child understands that those kind of people are dangerous and should be avoided. Until then the cat5 and nic card are being locked up(literally)
We would not drive our children to 'bad' areas of town because they want to meet someone.
Perhaps a bad analogy, but I think it make my point.
Alright I'm done on the subject. No more opinions from me. I'll do some research and see what measures are in place in my community, and support those in place and advocate for new ones.
I suspect this is much like dope....for everyone you bust 1000 get through :(. Great post - Greenies coming :).Quote:
Originally posted here by Specter6
As stated before, people need to become more "Internet-literate" and security aware. But one of the biggest problems I see is that the personal computer has become just like the game consoles and is a babysitter. Turn the kids loose and ya don't have to worry about them for a while. Sad commentary on our society, but for the most part, I believe it is true.
And as for the comments about proactive law enforcement, Monday our state division of criminal investigation along with local police arrested a man from another state who crossed a state line to have sex with a "15 y/o girl" he met on the Internet who turned out to be an undercover agent. They have had a lot of success with these stings, but it makes me wonder - for all the arrests they have made how many more of these creeps are getting away with their crimes?