Knowledge

bluepnrc:
they may not deserve respect but if u break the law what makes u better than them?
it's all a question about moral... and u can beat them without risking ur future...
but if u find it to be "uber kewl j33t h4x0r style" to illegally break into system then I suggest u go and find a cracker forum instead (or take the time to learn about hacker ethics).
and no... "they" don't try to control our existance... they just don't give a ***** about us... there's a very very big difference. The big players do what they do to get more money and more power and don't care how many little ppl they crush on their way to the top.
and if u feel the laws needs changing then change them.. don't break them... u don't need to be an ******* to be a politician (even though most politicians are lmao :D )
(ok I'm gonna go and relax now... I'm starting to sound like some *****ing preacher... not nice... PEACE!)

Yeah
Ther's a point
If you breack the law= prizon
If you stay calme =lame and all gove you bad days
What should we do?
My opinion.
Acumulate knowledge and use it for make things right
Becouse that's what hacking is all about no?

Imagine that you bought a car, and found a sign
on the door to the engine compartment:

"This car contains an engine protected by the following
patents #203ejdhr and #qwerty.
You are not permitted to open this compartment,
or to examine the contents of this engine.
Do not attempt repairs.
Violation of this EULA (End User License Agreement)
may result in termination of your priveliges."

Hacking, loosely defined, is the attempt to
"take things apart", and examine them
to see how they work.

Maybe some people don't want you to know
how your internet browser actually
works its magic, finding sites and displaying
their contents on the screen.

Maybe they regret the fact that HTML
is an open standard, that you can examine the
source code of web pages.

Maybe they also wish we couldn't read and
write, so that all useful knowledge can be
"owned" by some corporation.

:cool:

rcgreen:
yea... well just cuz a company says u can't doesn't mean u can't (ok that didn't make any sence)
what I mean is.. as a consumer u have rights.. I honestly believe that if they were dumb enough to sue some1 for doing a thing like that they would loose... it violates some other laws... what u are talking about will never happen... we (the ppl, the consumers) still "own" the companies.. we can kill 'em just by not buyin their products... or some1 else will make a car company which doesn't use such techniques... u see what I mean?
with software it's a bit harder though (and that's probably what ur thinking about right?)
just take 2600 for an example... software is harder cuz ppl can't relate it to something else..

ok... enough babling for me tonight... gotta crash and get some sleep... I'll defend my strange over-tired thoughts tomorrow :)rcgreen:
yea... well just cuz a company says u can't doesn't mean u can't (ok that didn't make any sence)
what I mean is.. as a consumer u have rights.. I honestly believe that if they were dumb enough to sue some1 for doing a thing like that they would loose... it violates some other laws... what u are talking about will never happen... we (the ppl, the consumers) still "own" the companies.. we can kill 'em just by not buyin their products... or some1 else will make a car company which doesn't use such techniques... u see what I mean?
with software it's a bit harder though (and that's probably what ur thinking about right?)
just take 2600 for an example... software is harder cuz ppl can't relate it to something else..

ok... enough babling for me tonight... gotta crash and get some sleep... I'll defend my strange over-tired thoughts tomorrow :)

upz.. dunno what happende there... got that posted twice.. in the same.. lol... as I said... sleeepp... zzzZZzzzzz

Quote:

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Limitations on Reverse Engineering, Decompilation, and Disassembly. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Software, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation.

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http://dgl.microsoft.com/mgo1en/eula.asp

They're trying to tell me that I am forbidden to figure out
how the software works.
I bet this language would not be defensible in court.
:cool:

i bet it would be because you clicked "agree" when you installed it :rolleyes:

Learning to advance knowledge is good, if you use that knowledge for illegal activities that is not good.

But as this site proves hacking can be used for security reasons more than for gain of illegal knowledge.

rcgreen:
like 8*B@LL said... if u clicked agree they can sue u...
but then again... how the hell are they gonna find out? and they use the same tactics when making software... take some other proggies - reverse engineer them - and make ur own improved version... just don't tell any1 if u do it hehe :D
the laws will probably be changed in the future so u can legally reverse engineer (for educational purposes only of course :P ).. but then agian.. in the future everything is gonna be open-source hehe :)

Ho ho ho
This has gone to far for me
I diddn't post this to argue about making something legal or ilegal
I asked only opinions about my quote remember?
Anyway if I don't support breacking the law it's didn't means that I have to be blind and if a sign says "eat $it" I'm gonna do it
It's not god to break the law but some thimes you got to find a way to outsmart it whith diplomacy and to fight with his own guns. If you don't understand a thing on what I just writed no problem.
The point is that everything on this world has a way for exit.
got my point?
I didn't :)