China building its own Windows

ok firstly it would not have all the hardware support that the modern OSs have, for 2 reasons. 1, its new, nobody uses it, nobody codes for it. 2, china has all these restrictions (atleast from the US) about supercomputers not being alowed to be shipped in (i remember that the G4s wernt alowed in china tho i dont know if thats over yet) so they wont be able to develop for the hardware they dont have...... thus no hardware support for the new stuff.

secondly. hell its china, if they want to make a clone competitor for windows why not just revoke their patent (if they have one) get the code (or reverse engener it) and re label it all and call it "China Chopsticks '03"? its not like they havent done worse before. that and they can just outlaw windows all together. thatll give them a reason to revokethe patent. if M$ dosnt like it just burry the complaint in paperwork........ i mean comeon! how hard is that (from a nation the size of chinas' perspective, not from yours or mine)

and lastly (i hope) im happy with linux. we get about everything free. have more power and more control of the box, and if we dont want it it can be handed off so we dont need to use it. we can do just about everything we want. wanna make a program, theres a dozen different language compilers, take your pick. want a new look, it comes with half a dozen x windows frontends...... and tools up the wazoo for tweaking your system...... i mean, how can you not be on this board and not see that as advantages?

Well, so far it looks like the trend is going against the chinese, so they better come up with a good marketing plan if they want to sell this thing in the US. IMHO, a free distro would be the ultimate marketing ploy, but thats just me.

LogOff, there are internation copyrights and patents, MS might be able to take this to an international court.

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a free distro would be the ultimate marketing ploy, but thats just me.

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But who says china plans to sell it's OS worldwide? I hope they don't. I don't want their OS, it would probably have lousy support, and few programs, and be overpriced to pay for things like shipping. Kind of reminds me of lindows. I hate lindows.

Well here goes the rant..... from a "tool user" in the field (neither a windows fanatic, nor linux zealot).

The company I work for, as well as the companies I support run Windows on the desktop... flat out. Nothing else is going to happen, unless it's as easy to use (and by use I mean configure, set up, and support, not just use). Linux (as much as the zealots out there may think) is just NOT the answer yet. I will give it kudo's on striving for a more user friendly and "desktopable" environment... however the truth is, I dont have the time, and my clients dont have the money to migrate and train everyone on this "fad". I use Linux (as well as FreeBSD, Solaris, Tru64, Irix, and yes... even NT4.0 server) in the back end... simply put FreeBSD, Solaris, Tru64 (the offspring of digital unix), and NT4.0 have been around long enough to grow and become stable enough for me to trust in a production environment.

Linux has as well (I do have issues with the bloat and some changes associated with the migration to desktopability, but hey... I dont have to install X). It runs solid, reliable, and efficient at the back end. If China were to get into the race for a new desktop (client side) OS... I have nothing but good wishes for them, however.... much like winXP... you can bet that I will not have it on my network untill it grows up a little. I will say the same about any OS... new technology is for edge, dev, and bastion instances... when it comes to production and my core services... I will stick with those that have been around long enough to prove stability.

IMHO, if the project lifts off, in the future I may be loading a chinese OS clientside everywhere. As much as you all hate M$... theres a reason why they happen to be so large, much like theres a reason why good open source projects such as Samba, Apache, and even Linux.... are still around. Guess we can just wait and see eh??

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I will give it kudo's on striving for a more user friendly and "desktopable" environment... however the truth is, I dont have the time, and my clients dont have the money to migrate and train everyone on this "fad".

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Um, couple of things here. For one, linux is an offshoot of unix, which has been around a hell of a lot longer than windows. Much longer. Red hat, the leader in the linux distro world, has made an extremely user friendly install, all you have to do is point and click, almost as easy as windows, except for adding in some info like DNS servers, and some X-windows configuration. If you sent everybody home with a printed copy of red hat for dummies, they could easily set up red hat and use it. And as for "fad", well, a fad is something that becomes extremely popular for a short period of time, and then dies out. That doesn't fit linux at all, not even close. Linux has been around for quite a while, and has been making slow but somewhat steady gains in OS business, Windows, on the other hand, exploded into the business, so, Windows seems to fit the description of a fad better than linux.

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As much as you all hate M$... theres a reason why they happen to be so large

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I suggest you read those anti-MS threads. I argued for MS a few times, and so did others. Those threads are a good place to hear out some good arguments. They might change your mind, or confirm what you always though. :)

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Um, couple of things here. For one, linux is an offshoot of unix, which has been around a hell of a lot longer than windows. Much longer. Red hat, the leader in the linux distro world, has made an extremely user friendly install, all you have to do is point and click, almost as easy as windows, except for adding in some info like DNS servers, and some X-windows configuration. If you sent everybody home with a printed copy of red hat for dummies, they could easily set up red hat and use it. And as for "fad", well, a fad is something that becomes extremely popular for a short period of time, and then dies out. That doesn't fit linux at all, not even close. Linux has been around for quite a while, and has been making slow but somewhat steady gains in OS business, Windows, on the other hand, exploded into the business, so, Windows seems to fit the description of a fad better than linux.

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Yes, I know linux is an offshoot of unix... however due to the nature of the beast... it has some growing to do, this is my opinion, and I will stick with it...

I dont like redhat, I prefer SuSE and yes, there are plenty of distro's out there with fancy point and click installs... but you come walk my CEO, as well as every bigwig at each of my clients locations through snapping in that off branded cd burner, a webcam, realone player, whatever msaccess clone you have out there, windows style (samba) file sharing, and whatever other applications they want "NOW" (you can also pay the difference in time lost to configure said items, as well as foot the bill for over 1700 copies of red hat for dummies).

BTW. I still have (and use) my redhat 4.2 ISO's... I know it has been around for a while, but the MS environment is controlled (which leads to better standardization.... and somewhat faster "focused" development... with the tradeoff of course of market control, and the ability to force changes on customers)

It's a touchy subject, and to each his own I guess.... I happen to lub Linux, just as much as I lub my FreeBSD (okay I lub BSD more)... and I'm not particular at all with windows... but the reality is (especially in this economy) I myself, as well as my superiors, coworkers, and clients are busy, theres no time to migrate to something new that everyone will have to adjust to.... theres no huge venture capital feed to pay for the cost of migration (yes open source may be easily obtained... but we're talking man hours here) and like I said... it's just not there yet as far as the desktopability my clients need. (course I wont hesitate to roll out Linux at the back end)

Truth is.... I should know better than to try and argue the point of a tool user.... theres too many tilted views (even mine is tilted... as I hate 98, wont use XP, but instead rely on 2k and NT4.... oh yeah... did I mention I dont use X.... ) and it only ends up in a super long thread, with super long rants from people like myself arguing a subject that in reality.... is purely opinion based. "shrugs" oh and windows exploded into the business around 3.0.... so its been around quiiiite a while as well... (in fact... you could say that windows itself has been around longer than packaged distro's such as redhat)

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as well as foot the bill for over 1700 copies of red hat for dummies

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I've read that book, it is good, but some it is superflous. You could just take out some key points, and write a quick guide for red hat, and copy it, and distribute it. It would save time, money, and be a good manual for users.

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I dont like redhat, I prefer SuSE and yes, there are plenty of distro's out there with fancy point and click installs... but you come walk my CEO, as well as every bigwig at each of my clients locations through snapping in that off branded cd burner, a webcam, realone player, whatever msaccess clone you have out there, windows style (samba) file sharing, and whatever other applications they want "NOW" (you can also pay the difference in time lost to configure said items, as well as foot the bill for over 1700 copies of red hat for dummies).

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It is a matter of neccessity then, their loss. If they don't recognize linux's strength within networks, then it is their loss. I like win2k as well, but I enjoy using XP so much more.

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theres no huge venture capital feed to pay for the cost of migration (yes open source may be easily obtained... but we're talking man hours here)

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Easily remidied with some PR cloning software. Software that'll let you take the config of a PC and send it over to another, I remeber hearing of one for linux a while ago, I forget what is was called though.

well it depends...is there some kind of spyware in it?

I read this somewhere:

Linux is a very user-friendly os. However, it is very particular as to who it makes friends with.