For the young computer wizards..

Well, for me, it goes both ways, I'm in high school and it is a tech. school. For me, the studies come first because of the reason that I also have tech. courses. I myself is a computer enthusist and my interest being in school deepens my understanding of what priorities comes first. My school sends good students to IV league univ. here in the US and they have many programs that help you get there. It depends on the student because the courses are also strict in many schools, but if the person wants to major in the tech. area, then it is their choice. There was this one kid at my school who was a sophomore and he made more money than my CS teacher (just working weekends)*programming.
It really depends, but I would suggest studies first before any other things, it would help anyone get a lot out of life.

I think the point is that you need to be a well rounded person. There is nothing wrong with studying computers, but if that is all you know, how far would you get you in life?

JagFire19, good point , never happened that i wronged the right, but oh yeah, one must definitely sleep before an exam.

Magnoon, how is your post related to this ? :confused:

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ive got a great career and i didnt even finish high school. Not everyone who studies and goes to uni will end up with a great career ( it may increase your chances) same as not everyone who doesnt do well at school will end up a bum. - kni

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I don't think Bill Gates studied too much either, he was once the richest man in the world. Ain't talking about an exception but what happens to common man.

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A college is a college is a college. Great grades in high school doesn't assure you a top 10 spot, heck a 4.0 and a 1800 won't even get you into harvard. They turned down like half the people with that. The important thing is that you get an accredited degree and not where you get the degree. Sure you can bust your ass get into a state university get into some job which is a "great job." but you can also put in a half assed effort and go to a state college get a "good job." and the bonus is you didn't waste your youth. - zepherin

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I wish you had tried to understand what i was saying. Harvard is not end of the world.
If you talk about wasting youth, you'd want to know that your youth countinues till around 25 atleast, and you aint too old at 35, whilst high school is only till 17-18.
So, if you want to waste the rest of your life while enjoying the last 2-3 years of high school, you might want to do that. I'd never.

Well zepherin, i dont think you'd know better , you're living in the US itself. I know there are a lot of un-accredited universities there, so the first step is to first find a nice accredited one. But well, because the U.S. has less competition as compared to the rest of the world, and it gives more privelleges to its citizens, so most dont even think about university, so it doesnt matter where you get the degree from. But for countries like India, and others in Asia, even Germany and sort, you need to study, and i think it's for good. Atleast, it doesnt harm me, only gives me extra knowledge, i'd know what concentration is, molarity , binomial theorem, permutations, all in high school, even before going to univsersity, em...sure am a better man. Wickdgin says it :

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I think the point is that you need to be a well rounded person. There is nothing wrong with studying computers, but if that is all you know, how far would you get you in life. - Wickdgin

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This guys also explains it ::

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Well, for me, it goes both ways, I'm in high school and it is a tech. school. For me, the studies come first because of the reason that I also have tech. courses. I myself is a computer enthusist and my interest being in school deepens my understanding of what priorities comes first. My school sends good students to IV league univ. here in the US and they have many programs that help you get there. It depends on the student because the courses are also strict in many schools, but if the person wants to major in the tech. area, then it is their choice. There was this one kid at my school who was a sophomore and he made more money than my CS teacher (just working weekends)*programming.
It really depends, but I would suggest studies first before any other things, it would help anyone get a lot out of life. - Azn_Acid02

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Oh, and im surprised that the senior members don't have a say in this one, guys you have kids, what do you think about this discussion, huh ? you must be experienced enough for advice.

afterthought : oh and i heard internet access is pretty costly in Ireland. $55 an year.
after-afterthought : oh, but that mag was 1 year old, but still, is it true ?

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Originally posted here by magnoon


Xerox had the first GUI which was "borrowed".


If you have not read about the Xerox Palo Alto labs you should. A herd of nerds sitting around on bean bag chairs building whatever struck their fancy. The first GUI, the first mouse, the first e-mail system, networked computers and even rudimentary voice recognition.

Xerox decided in their infinite wisdom that they were wasting their money and shut the research down. Bill Gates had also visited the parc and 'borrowed" a few ideas.

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Magnoon, many people see the Xerox Palo Alto labs as the designers of the GUI, but let not forget the forefathers of the GUI: Engelbart, Sutherland

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"Sketchpad pioneered the concepts of graphical computing, including memory structures to store objects, rubber-banding of lines, the ability to zoom in and out on the display, and the ability to make perfect lines, corners, and joints. This was the first GUI (Graphical User Interface) long before the term was coined."

–- from a Sun Microsystems biography of Ivan Sutherland

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see: http://www.webmasterbase.com/article/511/45

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In 1968 Engelbart created NLS (oNLine System), a hypermedia groupware system that used the mouse, the windowed GUI, hypermedia with object addressing and linking, and even an early version of video teleconferencing to wow its audience, a group of technicians, engineers, and scientific types at Stanford University.
However, Engelbart was not the only visionary in the history of GUI. In 1963 a grad student at MIT, Ivan Sutherland, submitted as his thesis a program called “Sketchpad,” which directly manipulated objects on a CRT screen using a light pen.

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source: http://www.webmasterbase.com/article/511/45

And on topic: Wickdgin has a good point. While many of us speak computerish we still (try to) do work and learn in other fields... up to a (would be) homo universalis ;)

I'm just a highschool kid. I get good grades and I have never had a problem, but a lot of kids do. I put school then computer. I have to admit that somtimes I'm finishing up a prog when I should be studying.

To somebody who negged me saying : If you want discussion, dont take up on people.

ALright, i wanted discussion, so i never stopped discussion. I only provided argument to my point of view because there were conflicts on it. If you dont like it , why dont you just ignore it ? Also, i never complained upon not participating, all i asked was other members agreement because i believed this to be a serious issue. Well, not just serious, but very serious.

Well sandsword, you got mah point !

I think if you ever want to be any good at computers you also need to have a broad dasis to start with.
And with that I mean college university (any direction you want) and a lot of reading of various kinds..
Watching Discovery channel, National Geographic etc..

If you specialise yourself to one thing and are the best at that one thing..
What happens if that thing gets replaced with the next best thing?

To be able to grow you need food, and eating the same food evry day is bad for you!!

call me stupid or whatever you want, but I here is what I think:

Do what you want, be what you want, live how you would like to live and die how you want to die.

It doesn't matter how you learn or who you learn from. What matters is that you do what makes you happy. When it comes to my computer knowledge I am completely self taught and currently hold a system administration position making 65k+ a year. I tried taking classes when I was in high school but was removed from the class and prevented from joining any future classes because I made the teachers look bad. I finished high school with a b average and have been doing tech work ever since.

so like i said, call me stupid or whatever you would like but live life how you want and be happy!

If that formula was sureshot for everyone, im sure no one would consider high school even as a faint option, let alone studying hard.
Oh and you're not stupid, just moody, that's okay, i guess, but not what is right for everyone/works for everyone.

Edit : Raisor, you can give me AP's , but after a while. Just grow up on your greenies a bit and then neg me as much you wish.

What's with the attitude invader??

All raisor said is if you want to spend all your time studing because it makes you happy or think it will make you happier later, fine, do it. Just don't try to impose your views on everyone.

For one, I hated highschool, brain stuffing, broad subjects that I'll never use again and don't even remember a thing about after 5 years. It was boring to me, and offered no motivation whatsoever. Only when I got interested into computers and moreover networks (the internet was JUST getting popular) did I find motivation in getting better grades to go to [college] (not exactly because I'm in quebec but let's say), in computer science.

And having more computer time under my belt was a great asset once there: I was pretty much in advance (computer & networks & prog wise) than most other students, and still am because I keep learning stuff by-myself before seeing it in class (and even then, I often correct the teacher).

Oh and it also allowed me to get a job as an admin in an highschool that pays better than university demonstrators and even some teachers.

And while yes to get through highschool I did have to know the perodic table, knowing how the tcp/ip stack works is much more usefull to me now.

Anyways, I don't care to fight about this as it's an opinion base debate.

Ammo