If we were going to start a beer war we would prolly invade canada first.Quote:
What if the US decide tomorrow that Belgian brewer Interbrew broke a monopoly-rule, and decide to launch a pre-emptive attack?
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If we were going to start a beer war we would prolly invade canada first.Quote:
What if the US decide tomorrow that Belgian brewer Interbrew broke a monopoly-rule, and decide to launch a pre-emptive attack?
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Hey Neg.. If we could only get the UN to uphold their own doctrine!!
I wasn't talking about involvment in the war I was speaking about the presentation. Where does THAT presentation mention Belgium? I got a kick out of it because I feel the same way about our primadonna Hollywood pukes.. they make me sick to my stomach (including Michael Moore). You take it as a personal attack, which is ludicrous, and then you condemn it because you (or your country) don't agree with it.Quote:
Originally posted here by Negative
If, as you claim, I'm not involved in this, then wouldn't it sound reasonable that I'm only after the truth, no matter who is right?
Can't blame you for not knowing that Belgium is involved into this way over our heads (you could blame us for everything you've blamed France for, and even more...Rumsfeld is REALLY pissed at Belgium, you know ;) And so is Sharon... he doesn't like our new law that is going to prosecute him after his president-ship for his share in the Shabrah & Shatillah murders. Bush also falls under that law. As soon as he ain't diplomatically invulnerable anymore, we'll start a trial against him. He's PISSED, I can assure you.).
Belgium is a small country (as you've pointed out already ;) ). With only 10 million Belgians, it would be stupid to choose for the military approach. So, the only reasonable approach for Belgium was to follow all rules. All UN-rules, all NATO-rules, all rules of International Law. If we wouldn't do that, we'd get our asses kicked - literally.
And that's exactly what we did: we played by the rules. If the US decide to launch a pre-emptive attack on another country, we act as the rules tell us to - in this case: condemn the action and refuse military support. Nobody can blame us for not having followed those rules.
And yes, I've heard different interpretations of those rules. I've even heard people claim those rules don't even exist. And that, Korp, is what frightens me. What if the US decide tomorrow that Belgian brewer Interbrew broke a monopoly-rule, and decide to launch a pre-emptive attack? Having the strongest military in human history doesn't necesseraly mean you're always right, you know... Those rules are the only protection for countries not as strong as the US.
Oh, holier than thou, Negative. Can you mend our evil ways? Let's stop this stupid war and meet over at your house for some hacky sack and some fine belgian beer. j/k
Simply put...the terrorists of 9/11 woke the sleeping giant. Now we take action. If you want to get preposterous and try to tell me that we're going to invade other countries on a whim then you're smoking some good stuff.
Oppose the war, I've never had a problem with that. But for God's sake don't lose your sense of humor because of it. Geez.
Neg: LOL..... You do have a sense of humor...... You just hide it....... ;)
Seriously, as a veteran who never actually fought in a full blow war I can tell you that we really don't want war. But there are times when options become _so_ limited that it becomes another card in the pack of life. You chose to play it knowing that it will cost both, but you chose the option of playing it because you understand that you have played enough cards and they didn't get the desired effect...... Thus, logically it becomes one that, in the long run, is worth playing. The other side is that you don't play it and one or both suffers more in the future.....
War isn't an automatic reaction, it's not a solution, and it's not an end-game. It's something that, if done at the correct time and in the correct way will minimize or localize a problem. We can argue till the cows, proverbially, come home, but in the end we will all be wrong....period. The time is never _perfect_. It's a guessing game like everything else.
You are free to have your opinion and I respect you for it. You are free to say that the timing is wrong and there would have been a better time and I respect you for it. Equally, I am as right as you, I have no better nor worse timing than you..... I agree with the action taken... I am saddened for the lives lost but also accept that they would be...... I also understand that, (without necessarily being right about the timing), had we waited much longer the cost to "us" _could_ have been higher and, as a result, the cost to "them" _would_ have been incrementally higher than has currently been the case.
Ever read Tsun Szu? Brilliant man..... Brilliant culture....... Wonderful understanding of human nature......
I will respect you in the morning........ ;)
Soooo... yeeaaah.
Negative - after reading various posts of yours, I can say I have learned a few things, and that you back a lot of what you state with news articles or least 'tangible' facts.
My question is, and operating under the new declaration of 'no ao points in this forum,' I just have to ask if you have a hatred of the US and it's people? If nothing else, it appears that you are extremely p1ssed off at the US - did this start with us going into Iraq or further back? Just curious and this is not to say that your opinions are not appreciated. So as Triumph the Comic Insult Dog would say "What a great opinion... for me to poop on!" BTW that was my late-nite attempt at humor. I think you need to go into politics to work out your rage.
KorpDeath - yes-yes you did exercise your 1st Amendment rights. Thanks for that, some interesting, some I agree with, some I don't, but still enlighting and friggin' funny. You know, I never did see what Janeane Garofalo stated, but I know that the "Tough Crowd" show with Colin Quin slammed her about her opinions. Any good sites on this?
I have not finished "The Art of War" yet, but I am working through the vintage 3 Stooges.
personally i dont like war, but as anti flag said, you gotta die gotta die gotta die for your government, i personally dont like war but i know not everyone can sit down and talk things out instead of blasting them out, i usually stay in the middle, not pro or anti, but i really dont agree with war, to many innocent people die. I hope someone sees my point in this:
Hey ho, let's go Hey ho, let's go Hey ho, let's go Hey ho, let's go
They're forming in straight line
They're going through a tight wind
The kids are losing their minds
The Blitzkrieg Bop
They're piling in the back seat
They're generating steam heat
Pulsating to the back beat
The Blitzkrieg Bop
Hey ho, let's go
Shoot'em in the back now
What they want, I don't know
They're all reved up and ready to go.
if you dont undertstand why i put those lyrics there than well, you dont know punk. ;) lol.
Of course Canada first in a beer war... We're the only ones that know what it's all about... I will say there's one area I pity you Americans in.. (one of many. hah).... you never get to experience a real beer... you just get water...Quote:
Originally posted here by rcgreen
If we were going to start a beer war we would prolly invade canada first.
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Gore... come on now.. don't tell me you missed the entire meaning of the song..Anti-flag is prolly one of the greatest bands ever.... They happen to be my favourite.... You should include the rest of the chorus is yer gonna include part of it... because then it expresses what they truly meant instead of making it look like they're pro-militaryQuote:
you gotta die gotta die gotta die for your government
You Gotta Die
Gotta Die
Gotta Die for you government?
Die for your country?
That's ****.!
Anyone who wants to view life/politics/everything else the way it should be viewed.. listen to Anti-flag....
Following in gore's footsteps.. punk lyrics definately seem appropriate.
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911 For Peace - Anti Flag
It's in the paper every day
I see it in the headlines and I feel so sick, yeah
As another life leaves this world (this world) so full of hate
But short
Short on compassion
Short on humanity
Asking myself in vain, shaken by the shock,
"Do we even have a chance?"
I don't wanna die
(I don't wanna kill)
I don't wanna kill
(I don't wanna die)
We are all human.
Let's start to prove it.
This is a plea for peace (world peace)
To the oppressors of the world and to,
To the leaders of nations, corporate profit takers,
to the everday citizen
Greed, envy, fear, hate-- the competition has to stop.
When you see someone down, now's the time to pick them up
Set your differences aside and never look back, no
I don't wanna die
(I don't wanna kill)
I don't wanna kill
(I don't wanna die)
We are all human
It's time to prove it.
Isn't everybody tired of the fighting? (hey, hey)
Isn't everybody tired of the killing? (hey, hey)
Isn't everybody tired of the dying? (hey, hey)
Isn't everybody tired fo the hatred? (hey, hey)
Violence.. fighting... killing...dying.. aaaaaaah!!
(excerpt from Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech)
I don't wanna die
(I don't wanna kill)
I don't wanna kill
(I don't wanna die)
We are all human
It's time to prove it.
We are all human
It's time to prove it.
We are all human...
I know that Tigersharks said that with humor (even if I don't understand all, we don't learn at school the real English language:)). I react regardless of Negative and KorpDeath post.Quote:
Zonewalker said
Ghostdog, did you notice at the end of Tigersharks post the line
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(Dripping with evil humor and sarcasm......... But I couldn't resist it....... )
The USA did not follow the rules since there was a vote democratic of UN whose result was "no war for the moment". UN never said that there would be no war, it said that it was premature. It is what France underlined by taking more time for the inspectors.Quote:
Dublix said
...And that's exactly what we did: we played by the rules...
The resolution 1441 required a disarmament of Iraq and the inspectors had results (the things advanced gently but they advanced). Why suddenly the USA want to reverse the government? They has information ? By not giving them to the inspectors they are in faults. The USA said that Saddam was a messace for safety, that it had weapons of massive destruction, chemical weapons. For the moment nothing was found. Ah yes they found American weapons! Sold with the agreement of the USA? By an American company without scruple?
The USA said that they would find the weapons of massive destruction. What must we understand? Will the CIA manufacture evidence? There are many things strange in this war: Where are the Iraqi planes? Where is the large army of Saddam? No information on that. Would the secret service be null at this point? Much question without answer. The future will learn some to us.
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...And that's exactly what we did: we played by the rules...
That quote is not mine it's negatives. ;)
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Sorry about that Ghostdog i went back and fixed the quote thingy. :rolleyes:
I'd give the brew making skills to the Belgians way before I give any credit to the Canadians, hell I like Jamaican beer better than anything from the great white north.Quote:
Originally posted here by HTRegz
Of course Canada first in a beer war... We're the only ones that know what it's all about... I will say there's one area I pity you Americans in.. (one of many. hah).... you never get to experience a real beer... you just get water...
That brings up a funny quote though. At the Hollywood bowl watching Monty Python. And they come out on the stage throwing cans of Fostaer's at everyone in the audieance. Just then Cleese asks the crowd...."Do you know why we're throwing beer at you, cause American beer is like having sex in canoe.......It's *****ing close to water!!"
Now that's funny.