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Do a little digging and you will find that the clerics in Iran are clinging to power by a slim thread. After years of repression the younger, PRO-AMERICAN voters are about ready to toss them out on their ears. Given that political climate, I'm holding out hope that resolution will come thru peaceful means.
That is hilarious. How short sighted can you get? The age of my country has nothing to do with it, my friend. And we arent' the only country that spends money on the military, Russia spent far more during the cold war than we did, where's your comlpaint about them not helping out everybody and their mother? Since when is it solely the responsibilty of the U.S. to pay for the world's medical, technological, and educational needs? That's a little presumptuous of you, don't you think?Quote:
Originally posted here by instronics
All these middle eastern countries have existed for over thousands of years. How dare Bush go in and just bomb them, heh, a nation thats just 200 years old. Shame. I am against any military action that the US does. If they would just spend one tenth of the money they give out for war to actually really help a country in need, that means food, medical, technology, education, then these countries might have a better life. But democracy is not a world wide solution. All bush does is slaughter women and children. Thats all.
Back to the question at hand. Tienemen square sound relatively familiar? The U.S. won't go to war with Iran because it's people are tired of being oppressed. With a young population it's no wonder they are tired of being treated that way and are acting out. They would rather do it themselves than have any western country come in and have to do it by force. And I'm all for them doing it right now. That country needs a revolution, if ever there was one.
Geeezzzee you gotta pull your head out of the sand sometime instronics, this argument could'nt be further from the truth.Quote:
All these middle eastern countries have existed for over thousands of years. How dare Bush go in and just bomb them, heh, a nation thats just 200 years old. Shame. I am against any military action that the US does. If they would just spend one tenth of the money they give out for war to actually really help a country in need, that means food, medical, technology, education, then these countries might have a better life. But democracy is not a world wide solution. All bush does is slaughter women and children. Thats all.
U.S Aid For Iraq
This isnt even counting the countless private organizations from my nation that will help out aswell. Your comments here show that you know nothing about the United States and our affairs, if you did you would'nt have made such asinine statement.
Iran is an area that we don’t need to go into, the shas will lose power because of their stupidity. Remember folks the bane of tyrants isn't the USA (we prop up tyrants all over the world) but Driect TV (a wave of minidish hookups went in across Iran because the Shas didn't think that they would work so they OK'ed them.). First came the minidish then came this clamor for democracy in Iran, hopefully this time it will work.
For a quick bit of history on Iran the original revolt agenst the king was a prodemocracy movement, they looked for support from the US and we rejected them so instead they turned to the fundamentalists who hijacked the movement.
Iran would be the most Pro western country in the middle east if it wasn’t for our stupidity in the 70’s, when you look at Iran remind yourself that we would be exactly the same if the religious right gets their way. A somewhat liberal freedom loving populace with a very large middle class subjugated by a small group of uberreligious nut jobs.
I am unaware of women being murdered and raped like you stated... can you post some kind of source or something? Life only getting better for the "King and the warlords" is ridiculous. People have been granted freedom, whats better than being able to say what you want and pretty much do anything you want and not get killed for it. People are able to listen to the radio, they are able to criticize their government, they can go out without fear of death. I don't think any of those are bad things, do you? And I want to point out that I don't think our work there is done. Democracy is never ending idea, and over time it will improve to a level where a majority will be satisified.Quote:
Originally posted here by bballad
Lets start here sure its bettter for the King and the warlords we put into power, but ask the women overthere who traded in a fullbody covering for rape and murder (not that the Talaban treated women well just that the warlords treat them worse). lets also ask any teenage boy that has been "recruted" by a warlords buggering squad. Oh wait it is better for one more group the opium farmer for the rest of the people the country is as bad if not worse then it was with the Taliban in charge. Oh and I thaught the whole point of that war was to get Binladden..so where is he again?
If my memory serves me correctly, they did launch weapons against us. Don't you remember the SCUDs that came from Iraq and hit Kuwait?? Don't you remember the live pictures on CNN and MSNBC of US Patriot missiles hitting down other SCUDs launched from Iraq?? And you answered your own question why they didn't use the WMD, we did use a blitzkrieg (means sudden swift attack for all you non-WWII fans) attack, we took Iraq by suprise and now we're in Iraq trying to find those weapons before someone actually gets to use them. And the 50 soldiers that died were killed in minor conflicts... like Bush said, the major fighting is over, you don't see Iraqi anti-aircraft fire anymore, you don't see Saddam's army anymore, now all that's left is to root out the small cells of Saddam supporters that are left and then locate the WMD.Quote:
Originally posted here by bballad
Umm if they had the weapons the ywould have used/ would be useing them, If you hadn't noticed the war isn't over yet (send any argument on that to the 50 troops that have died in the last month to Iraq fire. WE pulled of a text book blitzcreage offense, they are now pulling off the text book defense.) Are the people better off now, yes, but only marginaly. There is a difference between freedom and anarchy.
It's easy, send troops to our embassies and make them wander the streets and see what's going on, if a group like Hamas strikes then we should attack them, or if Isreal attacks w/ Apaches then we should return the favor with ours... And I beg to disagree with you on the fact that we don't rule the world. I think we do, we're Imperialists, we pretty much do what we want, a good example would be the Iraqi War. Then UN Securtiy Council said that we can't attack and what did we do? We bombed the **** out of Iraq. When there's trouble in the world, where do most countries look, America. And if you don't agree w/ that, I'll ask you a question: Who can stop us from doing what we want? No one... absolutely no one can... Why should Iran and Syria get more nukes, they're probably stock pilled as it is??:pQuote:
Originally posted here by bballad
how do you propose we send troops into a forign nation without a war...we don't rule the world, and would have no right to do that. My sugestion to Iran and Syria is to get Nukes as fast as you can, its the only way to keep the US honest.
Sorry but that is a stupid ass comment... first, what does my country's have anything to do with what we do? We are the most powerful nation in the world, and if countries like Isreal (wasn't it created after WWII as a reparation to the Jews?) and Palestine have a problem with that, then they should try to do something about it. If they're so much older and they can't handle a simple problem like a territory dispute then how can you even support them? And if you're talking about the US killing women and children, then I suggest you pull your head out of your ass and buy a TV. Look at how many innocent people Hamas has killed! Look at the airstrikes Isreal does, you don't thnk that innocent people die there? I admit there have been innocent people killed by America's wars but you cannot simply argue one side like that without paying any attention to the other. Secondly, all those countries can talk crap about America and how we kill innocent people all day, but in the end, what do they do? They come crawling back, asking for the Red Cross, asking for money, for food, for medicine!!! When did America become the world's bank?Quote:
All these middle eastern countries have existed for over thousands of years. How dare Bush go in and just bomb them, heh, a nation thats just 200 years old. Shame. I am against any military action that the US does. If they would just spend one tenth of the money they give out for war to actually really help a country in need, that means food, medical, technology, education, then these countries might have a better life. But democracy is not a world wide solution. All bush does is slaughter women and children. Thats all.
Good point... the younger folk of Iran also held protests like what? Two weeks ago? I agree that Iran won't be our next target but it will make the list in the coming years. Hopefully, for now, like others have said, we can end the situation there through peaceful means.Quote:
Do a little digging and you will find that the clerics in Iran are clinging to power by a slim thread. After years of repression the younger, PRO-AMERICAN voters are about ready to toss them out on their ears. Given that political climate, I'm holding out hope that resolution will come thru peaceful means.
ok I am going to go down a list of things first I work on the hill First.
1. Bush is a Bipolar I mean this is the same person that said that we went ot Iraq for weapons of mass destruction. UH UH UH Where are the weapons please tell me this.
I don't remember seeing any Iraq's running down the streets with Nukes. Oops that is only us.
America is probably one of the Biggest hippoecreates of all time we don't want anyone to have what we already have. I understand that you don't want every tom, dick , and harry with a Nuke but come on.
Now if you really want something to think about think abou the fact that we went to Iraq for weapons that noonw has seen bUT North Korea has out and said that they have been working on Nukes and won't stop. Oh I am sorry they have them now. So we attack the country with 250 military(not quite sure if that is right it was suppose to be in the hundread thousands.) but not the one with amillion people in the Army why because it would be horrible
and about him waging another War anytime soon. I know for a fact he will wait until after his re-election.
While we are talking about Politics. Why do you need 100 Million to run for president that is to much. In my opinion Campaign refinance.
Apologies if my statement was misunderstood. I see that i formed it wrong. Its not orientated against the US, but just the Bush Administration. In order to understand my point of view, you would have to live outside the US. Outside the tentagles of CNN, and the US local media.
Korpdeath, its not about comparing what russia has done, and its not about the age of the countries. Its about the fact that Bush has MILITARY units outside of his home country. Its about him trying to tell the world what and how to do it. Its about the abuse of power. The lack of respect. Im not saying anything about your internal affairs or politics. Im sure that within your borders you have good laws, good control, jobs, everything is clean and organized. But Bush still has no right to tell another country what to do!!! Im not only talking about Iraq, or Iran. Im talking that ALMOST every US president has STARTED A WAR outside of US territory. Im talking about the privacy invasion worldwide, frequenzies etc... Why not just leave the world alone. So far, not ONE country that has been bombed from the US have benefits from it, other than the loss of lives, and a new regime that wants to make an earning out of it. Like i said in my earlier statement. You would have to live outside the US to actually see these things. An example, during the Iraq war, CNN, STAR, BBC just showed how their troops were moving in professionaly and how they spread candy and chocolate to the children there. They did not show what the rest of the world saw. The pain, the loss of innocent lives, the mistakes and ****ups made, the damage, the killing, the TERROR! Its also amazing that thier 3rd target was the OIL that "had to be secured". Other mentalities dont want coca cola, mc donalds, democracy. Its not their way of life. Thats what i meant earlier with lack of respect towards the world. Noone has a real choice. Just before the war, the dollar was worth a little less than the euro for example. Now that Bush has the OIL, its amazing how much the dollar is worth now. Someone also stated "Look how they welcomed the troops", well, they would welcome anyone comming in with "power of destruction" to save thier lives. What would have happened if they told the troops to go and **** themselves? And its not about Iran at this moment only. Its about things in general. How long till Bush STARTS SLAUGHTERING again? Why doesnt CNN call it that, but call it more polite names and values? I dont remember if you read an old post of mine i wrote just before the Iraq war. I cant find it, but i will try to remember the comments, and rewrite a small part of it.
A little poor family, who have nothing but rags, poor food, no quality. The father has to go every day by foot 10 km to go and get some food for his family. He has never done anything wrong. He fights for his family in ways you would never understand. One morning he wakes up and hears shots and a plane fly over him. Next minute, everything around him (including him) is dead!
Noone can justify bombings. No politics or actions can say that bombing is a solution. If Bush would send in some elite, and get the core work done, like getting saddam out of the way or anything that would no cost the lives of women and children, then it would be a whole other story, but all thats happening is you see Bush telling the world how, when, where, and why he will bomb something.
allenb, i understand you point too, its not about companies and the help from the US, i know that many companies and people are helping out. Its just about the Bush administration. Its like "first we bomb and kill them, then we will send in medicine and candy to hide the terror we have spread and hope that we will be heroes after". Understand my point. Its not the US. Its that idiot Bush and his greed for domination and power. Cant you see that the entire planet is against his actions. But what can we do?? We are depented on the US, we are scared from the US, theres nothing we can do about it. Its also about economy.\
Im not saying the US has done nothing good, i know they send in medicine, technology, education and things. Its about bombing a CAPITAL CITY where real lives live (not some counter strike, or war craft game). Its about Killing.
I also want you people to understand my point of view, my feelings. Its not about me being short sighted, but its about terror. And bush is spreading terror around the globe. I remember before the iraq war people said, bush will not start a war, they will find a peacefull solution. Then the war starts, and everyone shuts up about it. Once theres nothing more to kill, the subject is forgotten. Before the next war starts, you all say "bush will not start a war", or "he will find a good solution". Well, mark my words, the only country that will be bombing other countries is the US.
I beg you to forgive my hostile choice of words, but sadness and anger help become this way. Go to any country, goto greece, germany, france, netherlands, or any other place and just ask privately a citizen what they think of bush, and you will see that they all agree on hanging him.
Understand our point of view too. Your media and sources are corrupt to the gov likings. Also ours and other to some point. But, we dont hide the truth!!!
Im sorry if im offending anyone personally. Its not my intention. My words are still very polite and harmless compared to what the world thinks. Believe me when i say that. But i dont want to start with insults and opinions from others. Right now its about what i think about the whole situation. Its about the pictures i see. Not the pictures you see. I will never forget when our news showed us how a family (family, meaning 3 little girls, a wife, and an older brother) got shot in the head by US troops.
Nuff said, im really getting upset. This is my last post in the cosmos forum about this subject. I will now go back to the other forums and see if i can help someone in need of security help.
Once again, im sorry if i sound insulting. But i have valid and strong points. My witness is every country except the Uk and the US.
...by giving them 48 hours notice?Quote:
And you answered your own question why they didn't use the WMD, we did use a blitzkrieg (means sudden swift attack for all you non-WWII fans) attack, we took Iraq by suprise
To this date according to CNN there has been 230 deaths, so about a fifth of the deaths thus far have occurred after the war was declared over. It's quite possible that these minor conflicts will stretch into the future for a while.Quote:
And the 50 soldiers that died were killed in minor conflicts
The situation in Israel is not a simple problem. Go do some reading.Quote:
If they're so much older and they can't handle a simple problem like a territory dispute then how can you even support them?
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It's easy, send troops to our embassies and make them wander the streets and see what's going on, if a group like Hamas strikes then we should attack them, or if Isreal attacks w/ Apaches then we should return the favor with ours...
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I am unaware of women being murdered and raped like you stated... can you post some kind of source or something?
I'm not going to reply to this point for point because you don't make sense. I've seen the pictures of war, Instronics. I know people die. The gov't of my country doesn't hold control of our media, we aren't "sheltered" from reality.Quote:
And again here is a person that claims to have sole ownership of the truth, excuse me while I yawn...
I WILL answer your question about why we won't "leave the world alone", though.
It's simple, some very bad men woke a sleeping giant. (Does that sound familiar?)
I generally agree with Instronics that is very true I travel fairly often and I have friends that travel and a friend that brought me a paper (I can't remember from where) that had an actual picture of two US soldiers shooting a few people in the head and the sure the heck weren't Iraq soldiers now on the flip side Korpdeath you are right I mean to wake a sleeping giant has happened. We can't change the past but we can change the future and from the looks of it we are on the other end of it this time. I do not mean to offend anyone but America is F...... Up. Think about our current President didn't even win his spot in office. I mean the US is the same country that will go to war against someone for not obeying the UN but at the same time we just disobeyed the UN. This is all types of bad and I will be honest I once had a very wise person tell me that when the bodies come home it will all change. The bodies will be home soon, but I not talking about the 300 soldiers that have lost there life I mean the real travesty. That is for coming. Look at the signs. Oh and will someone please tell me what the h... happened to Osama Bin Laden why is no one talking about him any more. Oh yeah just as a small note studying American politics, living in DC with friends high-up are media is controlled by this get. Not very bluntly but none the less controlled. If you want proof of that listen to the news why isn't it that any Americans ever die in a fire fight I have plenty of Military friends Death in a Fire Fight is common for people to die that way. But everyone one that is reported by the news is said to die by a bomb, a sniper, an ambush no one just gets shot. I can walk down the street and get shot but no one over there ever gets shot in a fight. I will give you that maybe the military is trained well (Just for Sh.ts and Giggles)but no one dies. That is a little hard to believe I mean more people have died in the DC sniper shooting then have been reported dieing in a general battle in Iraq.