Constitution (yet another US rant)

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Originally posted here by paulie walnuts

I think it's more than fair to say that you HT have failed to see your very own hypocrisy. The deduction i have come to from reading your post is that everyone but the U.S is very intelligent and perfect aswell.

Do your comments strike me as extremely arrogant; the very same arrogance you claim the U.S shows the world? .......YES.

nuff said.

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You are just trying to attack me, because I've taken down your society and the government/country you have faith in. If that's the deduction you've come to, that's your problem. I never said that everyone else was very intelligent or perfect. I said the US causes problems and many of their citizens lack intelligence, that is the truth. No other country causes as many problems. I can't speak for the intelligence of other countries, but watch Street Smarts sometime... you'll see what I mean. What does xerosis affect? Guys response, The Xeroser. And they'll have many many people with stupid answers like that all night long. Then you get Made In Canada, where a Canadian goes into the US and asks Americans questions about Canadians and other stuff... yet no one knows any of the answers. That to me says lack of intelligence. I could also point out the serveral Americans on here who can't spell worth crap and then blame it on where they are from. I never said anyone was better than America, I just said we mind our own business.

I would have to disagree with arguing the point regarding these terroist parasite's
entitlements to any form of rights. Where was the consideration for the innocent
who suffered from the actions of these people? non-exsistant.
Most of these detainee's crying innocent would be among the first in their own countrie's
to rejoice at what happened.Dancing in the street and shooting guns etc.
A crime has been committed and needs to be investigated. If that involves detaining
so called innocent people along the way then so be it.

Yes this was a "reaction" to U/S polocy around the world but regardless of that it still
needs to be resolved. I think that saying the unfortunate people deserved it is damm
outragous and un-called for. Yes the U/S "government's" actions did cause this new phase
of termoil, but to say it's people deserved it is just wrong. To begin to understand the
enormity of global managment is i feel an impossible task for most to even consider
coming even close.

As far as Iraq is concerned, no proof of weapons of M/D needs to be found. It's leader
was doing deal's with either the French or the Germans year's ago regarding the
building of nucliar plant's , weapon's. He and his son's made it quet clear what sort of
people they were. Definately not worthy of being in the position to research and invest
in this technology.

It's not about playing fair anymore, your enemy is dirty and it is stupid to think these
people aren't going to take a shot while you play fair. While not on Australian soil, the
Bali bombings is an example of their fairness, targeting Australian's for being in support
of the U/S. Government actions, innocent citizens suffering. Yeah f--ck it i blame the actions
and the decisions of the "U/S GOVERNMENT" not it's people for this. :mad:

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You are just trying to attack me, because I've taken down your society and the government/country you have faith in. If that's the deduction you've come to, that's your problem. I never said that everyone else was very intelligent or perfect. I said the US causes problems and many of their citizens lack intelligence, that is the truth. No other country causes as many problems. I can't speak for the intelligence of other countries, but watch Street Smarts sometime... you'll see what I mean. What does xerosis affect? Guys response, The Xeroser. And they'll have many many people with stupid answers like that all night long. Then you get Made In Canada, where a Canadian goes into the US and asks Americans questions about Canadians and other stuff... yet no one knows any of the answers. That to me says lack of intelligence. I could also point out the serveral Americans on here who can't spell worth crap and then blame it on where they are from. I never said anyone was better than America, I just said we mind our own business.

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This is not a personal attack HT, i was just pointing out that you were doing the same things your accusing others of doing. By definition that is hypocrisy.

Streetsmarts, yes, that is by far the most idiotic show i have ever seen in my entire life. You are talking about the one with the "dunce cap" and all that stupid crap right? If so, then yes, that is a stupid show and i can guarantee you noone i know likes that crappy program. Hell, i'm still baffled as to why it's on WGN (i believe) in the first place.

I keep hearing you refer to this show, and you seem to repeatedly compare that show to Americans as a whole. This stupid show has nothing to do with most Americans. It's simply an ignorant tv show ok! This show does'nt in any way reflect our society, and i'm sorta insulted that you keep making this comparison. Are you telling me that Canada has no stupid tv shows....come'on.

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I never said that everyone else was very intelligent or perfect. I said the US causes problems and many of their citizens lack intelligence, that is the truth.

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Furthermore, i think you should re-read your first post. I think there is sufficient evidence to back up what i stated in my first post. It may not have been what you said word for word, but i'm not stupid enough to believe this was'nt the gist of what you said ok. Just as different words have similar meanings, the same applies here.

Edit: spelled ignorant wrong....go figure. :-)

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Where was the consideration for the innocent
who suffered from the actions of these people?

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I agree with you tidal_phase completely. They had no consideration for the little children, mothers and fathers. They had no guilt about ruining families lives. These people are heartless.

These terrorists wanted to attack us because they hate us, because we are not forced to worship Allah or whoever else they worship. We have freedom to do what we want when we want. We have freedom to stand out in the middle of a street and say awful things about are President, yet if you go to their country they will shoot you down just because they don't like where you come from.

What makes you say that Americans are stupid ignorant people HT?
Like allenb was saying you've have not met all of America therefore you cannot judge us Americans. Sure, there are some of us out there that are ignorant and stupid, but that does not mean that the whole country is that way.

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a Canadian goes into the US and asks Americans questions about Canadians and other stuff... yet no one knows any of the answers. That to me says lack of intelligence. I could also point out the serveral Americans on here who can't spell worth crap and then blame it on where they are from

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Just where does Canadians going into America and asking us questions that we do not know the answer to prove that we are dumb. I could go into Canada, ask a bunch of questions that you guys don't know then come back say canadians are dumb.

I'm very sure that theres also a lot of canadians HT who can't spell worth crap, and blame it on where they are from.

neel:

I see two countries invaded by the US. The first was a PROVEN haven for terrorists (I'm pretty sure it wasn't a coincidence that Usama Bin Laden lived in Afghanistan) and was ruled by a repressive regime where the slightest infraction WOULD GET YOU SHOT OR HUNG. Women were not even allowed to go to school. How would the female members of your family feel if a bunch of religious fanatics took away their ability to get an education and seek gainful employment? How would YOU feel if you saw your mom forced to BEG FOR FOOD on the streets? If giving a group of people back the rights to education and self government is "ruining" a country, then I'm ready to ruin the world my friend.

On to country number two...can anyone here spell OPPRESSIVE REGIME? It's a country where saying ONE BAD WORD against the leadership could get you and your family exterminated. A country where women could not walk down the street without fear because the head honcho's son had a reputation for grabbing women off the street and raping them if he found them the least bit attractive. These guys looked at torture the same way that the rest of the world looks at basketball or soccer....they did it just to get their kicks. So I guess if you are a sadist then hell yeah...we ruined that country too.

Yes, my government is FAR FROM PERFECT....but at least I can say that without fear of reprisals from death squads and other mercenary types. There is corruption here, but the people of the US have the ability to root such things out and remove them....something that every country in the world deserves to be able to do. After all...all men (and women) were created equal.

And neel, playing the race card was just plain wrong. We don't hate arabs nor do we hate muslims...we hate oppressive bullies and they come in all colors. If people don't quit playing the race card then racism will never go away...and we all have to start with ourselves when attempting to wipe out that particular blight from the earth.

I guess my "proactive point of view" is a wee bit too much for some of you people to handle. But tell me this...what are we to do when we see cruelty and injustice visited upon our fellow human beings....human beings who have had the power to control their own destinies stripped away from them? Turn a blind eye and thank God that it is happening to someone else? ANYTIME I see wrongs being done that cry out to be righted and something needs to be done I have to ask "If not me...who? If not now....when?"

So neel, HTRegz, and all the rest who don't quite "get it" let me say this....if I'm walking down a street and see you getting the crap kicked out of you by a bunch of hoodlums, I'm going to do something about it. Be it calling the police or jumping in and getting my own knuckles bloodied, I'm sticking up for the underdog. To be quite frank, if or when the day comes that one of you becomes the underdog, I seriously doubt that you'll bitch like you have here if I try to save your ass at the risk of my own...but then again you never know, some people just can't be satisfied.

cheyenne: Maybe all Americans aren't arrogant and unintelligent. However, I can base my opinions on those that I have met and experienced. Which is what I'm doing.

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I agree with you tidal_phase completely. They had no consideration for the little children, mothers and fathers. They had no guilt about ruining families lives. These people are heartless.

These terrorists wanted to attack us because they hate us, because we are not forced to worship Allah or whoever else they worship. We have freedom to do what we want when we want. We have freedom to stand out in the middle of a street and say awful things about are President, yet if you go to their country they will shoot you down just because they don't like where you come from.

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How about the innocent people the US killed when they attacked Afghanistan or Iraq, or anywhere else for that matter? Does that make you all heartless people as well? They attacked you because they hate you yes, but they hate you for funding them and taking it away, for providing funds to their enemies, for getting involved where you just don't belong.


Allenb: If the US had just gone in and dealt with the "hoodlums", no one would have complained. However they killed innocent people, and left a country in ruins. A single sniper would have done the trick, or a CIA assassin, but no.. you had to leave a path of death and destruction.

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Allenb: If the US had just gone in and dealt with the "hoodlums", no one would have complained. However they killed innocent people, and left a country in ruins. A single sniper would have done the trick, or a CIA assassin, but no.. you had to leave a path of death and destruction.

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Last time I looked, political assassinations were illegal (I think) on a world wide basis (or at least they are illegal by US law)....BTW, did you ever stop to consider how many of OUR people have died over there? Not to say that one nations people are more valuable than anothers....not at all...all human life is precious. But why aren't you harping about the THOUSANDS killed by the deposed regimes because they dared to stand up for themselves? I guess it's only chic to bitch when Americans pull the trigger.

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How about the innocent people the US killed when they attacked Afghanistan or Iraq, or anywhere else for that matter? Does that make you all heartless people as well? They attacked you because they hate you yes, but they hate you for funding them and taking it away, for providing funds to their enemies, for getting involved where you just don't belong.

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Yes there were innocent people like children and women killed in those countries, but there is a difference. The difference being that we never meant for their deaths, we never meant to harm innocent children, and we are sorry they were killed. However, these terrorists that attacked us are not sorry, they meant to kill women and children. They have no problem with it. But we have a conscience, and are sorry for their deaths.

We are merely defending are country from further attacks. When the President takes office he swears to do what is best for his country. In this case it meant dealing with countries harboring terrorists.


What allen says is very true about these countries gunning one down for saying something bad about their president. These people must continually live in fear. I know this because I have been to some of these countries. I have seen what it truly is like to live in a third world country. People that I have talked to never talk about their government or what they don't like, because if they do then they are dead.


So far so good, no ones been banned yet :)

Sorry for the order of the post... it goes by posts made not by person:

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I didn't see prove Osama Bin Laden actually had to do with 11 september. They

claimed it ? Then where's the prove Osama is in Afghanistan ? And why should we litterally

*punish* the afghanistan people for his deeds.

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bin Laden himself claiming responsiblity is not enough proof for you? The proof that Osama

was in Afghanistan was based on information from several top Taliban officals.. and why

should we punish the Afghanistan people? Simple, they run a state sponsored terrorist group,

a group that attacked America, thus we need to eliminate that group before something happens

again...

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I'd want the bastards to pay, but I would also think we should then pick the right

bastards. Killing nations and still fail to get the leader is plain stupid. It's even more

stupid if there's no prove either.

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Who says we picked the wrong countries... I totally think we picked the right countries to

attack and I say we should finish off the trio by taking out North Korea... Afganistan ran a

government funded terrorist organization, Iraq was headed by Saddam, a man who killed his

own people, INNOCENT people, people like you and me.. and now North Korea is firing up its

nuclear arms factories in an effort to make a statement of some sort, we as the world's big

brother have an obligation to take out the scum and we did so...

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quite simply because we are supposed to be rational decent human beings. We (as in we

I mean those countries that are supposed to adhere to the geneva convention) made those

rules and just because the 'enemy' doesn't follow the same rules as us does not give us the

right to disregard our own rules. If we do disregard our own rules of behaviour e.g. the

geneva convention, how does that make us any better than a terrorist??

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There's a time for diplomacy and there's a time for action... we did our jobs abiding to the

Geneva Convention but when our soldiers are being pecked off 1-2 a day, it gets ridiculous..

we need to play on the same grounds as the enemy or those numbers will go up higher and

higher....

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Now this is not the same as saying that those terrorists should get off scot free -

they shouldn't ... but neither should they be treated as something less than human beings -

to treat them in this way is the basis of what the UK, US and Europe tried fighting against

50 years ago. Despite the fact they are murdering bastards they are still humans and should

be given appropriate rights.

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And how have we exactly taken away their appropriate rights? We've fed them, sheltered them,

gave them the right to speak, and we're holding military tribunals (soon enough) to prove

guilt or innocence.

[quote]To turn your own perspective change to yourself. What if YOUR country was being

ruined because one American decided to fly an airplane into a rather large building in a

country that always opressed yours./quote]

How have we oppressed Aghanistan... we helped them in THEIR war with Russians and then we

left.. what else do you want from us... money from my tax dollars to pay for a war started

by a bunch of Arabs...

[quote]You have what we want, so we'll just take it because we're bigger and better. America

seems to enjoy causing problems. Just look at the Freedom toast and Freedom fries... what

purpose did that serve other than to cause more problems and prove that Americans lack

intelligence on the actual origin of those words. Much like the schoolyeard bully, American

displays a severe lack of intelligence.[quote]

We enjoy causing problems? What are you talking about... this is ridiculous.. the world

depends on America, immigrants from all over the world stream accross our borders like

parasites nightly just to get a chance to be here...

When something goes wrong in the world, a country attacks another, like Iraq and Kuwait,

who's called in to seperate the world... AMERICA. When peace discussions counldn't be

reached in Yugoslavia, who was called... AMERICA. We show a lack of intelligence.. how about

the rest of the world.. 'We hate America... but I'd kill to be able to live there...'

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They threatened to close borders because we decriminalized possession of one ounce of

marijuana. They expect everyone to do as they say and listen to them.

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And all of you expect us to help you... to let you in to our country, to help you when

someone attacks, to give grants for tourissm...

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It's unfortunate that most Americans simply want to follow what their government

tells them. A government that is actually a dictatorship, a two-party democracy should never

be called a democracy, you have no real choice.

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And you know this from...? We have elections, we run our country our way and we're doing

fine as of the last time I checked... and I'm not even going to tell you that you should

really take a look at what you're saying.. two-party.. there are millions of parties.. but

none are supported...

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Also every American I've enountered who's spent any time in Canada says they wish

they lived here, and I always tell them the same thing... we don't want your attitude here.

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I'm an American and there isn't a shot in hell that I'd give up what I have in America to

live with a bunch of dim-witted fools such as yourself...

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I'd also like to know why America has had this change of heart in the last 50 years.

Now it's their responsibility to get involved? Shall we look at World War II? The US refused

to enter the war until Pearl Harbor was attacked.. and I still hear Americans refering to

that as an Act of Terrorism, not war. It's funny how it's war unless it happens to them,

then it's always terrorism. The US spent 2 years watching other countries take up arms and

stand up to the Nazi's and they sat on their asses. Yet now it's their responsibility to get

involved? Bullshit... it's just a lightly veiled cover for going in and causing more

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Excellent, you've touched my favorite topic.. back then we did help, how about WWI, we went

and saved the Allied Forces' asses and WWII was no different.. why was our entry into the

war late? Because of the Depression! Our economy was in a rut, we didn't have the money for

another war and The Great War (WWI). But when Japan attacked, we didn't want anything else

to happen so we declared war on the Axis powers.

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I am wondering. Where are the weapons of mass destruction? Hmm, looks like

intelligence is on the hotseat for misinformation. But don't worry. They will find a

scapegoat if they did not already. Hey! But you never know! I might be proven wrong, and one

day, we will dig up all kinds of biological weapons and a super-secret nuclear device.

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Well.. on account that Iraq is the size of Texas and I doubt that there is a sign that says

"WMD HERE ->", it takes time.. searching for a missiles in Iraq is like searching for a

needle in a hay stack... it takes LoTS of time...

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You can't disregard those rights when something like 9/11 happens because then you're

no better than a terrorist yourself

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It's that of be killed... I don't mind lowering/disregarding their rights when it depends

whether or not my friend's dad will come home or he'll be killed by some stupid Arab that

thinks Allah told him to kill..

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And they'll have many many people with stupid answers like that all night long. Then

you get Made In Canada, where a Canadian goes into the US and asks Americans questions about

Canadians and other stuff... yet no one knows any of the answers. That to me says lack of

intelligence. I could also point out the serveral Americans on here who can't spell worth

crap and then blame it on where they are from. I never said anyone was better than America,

I just said we mind our own business.

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Because some random American doesn't know about Canada and other random topics, that makes

you believe we are uneducated? Man, people can't spell correctly, damn, that proves America

is the shittiest and most uneducated place there is!!! Grow up! You make all these claims

but you're people still cross our borders with nothing but dreams of living in America...

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And neel, playing the race card was just plain wrong. We don't hate arabs nor do we

hate muslims...we hate oppressive bullies and they come in all colors. If people don't quit

playing the race card then racism will never go away...and we all have to start with

ourselves when attempting to wipe out that particular blight from the earth.

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To them it doesn't matter, they live in fear of us, we lead the world, and they find every

execuse to make it sound like we are horrible people.. but yet they envy us.. they wish of

living here and work their entire lives to come here one day...

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If the US had just gone in and dealt with the "hoodlums", no one would have

complained. However they killed innocent people, and left a country in ruins. A single

sniper would have done the trick, or a CIA assassin, but no.. you had to leave a path of

death and destruction.

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Illegal, unless in a time of war... but why are you so stuck of this innocent Iraqi family

that gets hit by accident? Why don't I hear complaints about those 2000+ dead people in NYC

or those onboard the two planes (Pentagon and Pennsylvania).. those people are just as

innocent as the ones there, so what makes you care so much for them.. I know, ITS YOUR HATE

TOWARD AMERICA... IT MAKES US BAD AND EVERYONE ELSE GOOD!

It being 12:18 now and me running low on liquor.. I'm going to sleep!..

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Originally posted here by cheyenne1212

We have freedom to do what we want when we want. We have freedom to stand out in the middle of a street and say awful things about are President, yet if you go to their country they will shoot you down just because they don't like where you come from.

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I know some would consider it nit-picking and not quite on topic, but i just felt compelled to add in my 2 cents of insight. While we might not fear our government attacking us for speaking out against it, many people have feared for their lives and safety because they openly expressed their oppinions about the conflict in Iraq. People have had their tires slashed, been spat on, and im sure in some cases not widely pulicized beaten for not agreeing with the war. Its pretty sad when (at times) our own fellow citizens are more of a threat to our freedom's and liberties than criminals and terrorists.