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I agree with star. I think that if parents do that, it makes the kids miss out on the chance to grow up on their own and learn the right things from wrong experiences. if parents guard there kids while they live with them, then what are they supposed to do when they get out on their own and have to make their own decisions without any experience of that in the past...?
Parents should have the right to be network admins. Its their house and their connection. I mean look what the *** happend to T33 Kidd where would his fat ass be right now if his parents caught what he was talking about in his early stages of kiddieness. His fat ass would probably be at Mcdonalds or wendys getting his grubb on.Quote:
Originally posted here by SevenBleach
parent's house, parent's rules. that's just the way **** works, like allen says when you are LEGELLY responsible for yourself, then complain. Not that I wouldn't be upset about it... but that's growin' up.
OK...I can speak as a parent since I've been one for 20 years. I DON'T have a keylogger on my computer...I don't feel the need for one. But if I ever feel the need, I'll not hesitate to install one.
I've tried to raise my kids right. I have a good relationship with all 3 of my sons....I pay attention to what they do, who they hang out with and where they want to go with their lives. My 20 yr. old is in college and is learning to take care of himself. He knows his limits and what the consequences are if he screws up. I DROVE THAT LESSON HOME after he wasted the first semester of his freshman year drinking 24/7 and not going to class. He now keeps at least a 3.0 and has sworn off the booze. I believe him when he tells me this because he has not given me a reason not to and his grades substantiate his statement.
My 14 yr. old is a bit different....I have to run thru the temp IE files regularly to make sure he's not pr0n surfing. Last time I caught him (not the first instance) he lost computer priviliges for a month. Yeah, I know about net nanny but I choose to catch him the old fashoined way and give him a chance to prove himself to me. HOWEVER....if later on I suspect he has gotten involved with drugs or any other illegal activity (and VIOLATED MY TRUST) then I may start checking emails, IMs and the like...as a parent I have that right if he shows that I cannot trust him.
My 10 yr. old I don't worry about so much. He is active in scouting and thus far has proven to have a strong sense of right and wrong. He is the type of kid that if he cannot think of something good to say about someone, he won't say anything about them at all (with the exception of his teachers...he can be quite critical of them at times). If he sees you doing something wrong, he won't hesitate to let you know about it. I can only pray that he stays this way.
Star*****ers|Inc was right for the most part when he saidBut when your child violates that trust all bets are off and everything is fair game for a parent. Rebellion is a natural part of growing up...but when it takes a form that will harm my child I'm gonna do whatever it takes to protect my child. DEAL WITH IT!!Quote:
Educate your child, trust your child, and there will be no need to spy on your child.
Hi allenb1963, Granddaddy is my next objective :)
You raise some good points, and I now realise that I am actually too old to have experienced these problems first hand. :eek:
I am afraid that I go back to the days of 486s and 14.4Kbps dial-up modems. Connection was expensive too, as you had to pay by the minute. The net was a whole lot safer then, I guess?
My main objection to keyloggers is that they are reactive rather than proactive. I don't want to know that my child has been doing things that would get me into court.............I don't want my child doing them in the first place? [In England you are not legally responsible anyway]
OK, I have used them in the workplace when a "problem situation" has arisen, as our labour laws are quite different, and you really have to have concrete evidence. I guess that is why I associate them with "gathering the final evidence" and do not think them suitable for a domestic situation.
My instincts still tell me that there is more to the original story in this thread than meets the eye..............guess that's me being paranoid again?
Cheers
I agree that good parenting is the initial investment in discouraging a child from commiting illegal or immoral acts via the Internet. And that trust is essential in any parent child relationship. However, a parent monitoring their child's Internet activities should be a standard precaution for every parent. This is no different than calling the parents of a child's friend, when they are spending the night, to make sure your child is where they are supposed to be. Or why parents make curfews for their children, in an effort to protect the child and ruduce the opportunity for the child to conduct mischief. Perhaps the parent is concerned about sexual predators, illegal hacking, afraid of being sued by the RIAA, or the child could even have emotional issues tending towards suicide. Either way the parent has a responsibility to protect their children and to teach their children their interpretation of right and wrong.
Well as most of you know i am considerad a child being an age of 16. I feel that if i boght the oc with my own money i have the right to know whats on it, not my parents.
In many cities and states, parents are subject to be held liable for their child's behaviour unless they can prove that they exercised reasonable supervision over the child or made reasonable efforts to discourage or prevent the child from destroying, damaging or stealing property.
Historically, parents were not civilly liable to victims for the intentional or negligent acts of their children unless the child was an employee or acted under the direction of the parents or there was some actual negligence on the parents' part, as where an automobile or other dangerous object was entrusted to an unlicensed or underage child and an accident resulted. Despite the inherent limitations in these common law rules, there is a growing body of court decisions that follow the American Law Institute's Restatement of Torts, Second's more liberal rule that a parent is obligated to exercises reasonable care to control his or her child if the parent has the ability to do so and knows of the necessity and opportunity to exercise that control.
There are 3 computers in my house, and I have Spector installed on only one of them- my computer- so that I can see what other people do with my computer while I am away. And it has been informative- It has shown me that several of the people around me cannot keep their word, as well as that the neighbor kid has used my computer to surf porn sites while I was out of town. Monitoring programs are like hidden cameras, hidden microphones, 1-way mirrors, and the same sort of ethics apply to them.
If said child buys omputer and is regestered to them it is the child computer legally hence giving the parent no unauthorized access to the computer.Quote:
Originally posted here by allenb1963
Now turning our attention to a child (as referenced above) who owns his own computer yet (apparently) lives at home. The first thing I would point out is that the parents can (and usually will) be held legally liable for the actions of their child which gives them an inherent RIGHT to know what said child is "up to". Not to mention that the parents are probably paying for the internet access, as well as supplying the electricity that runs the computer and the roof that protects it from the elements. In short, you only get that guarantee of privacy when you are TOTALLY SELF SUPPORTIVE and out on your own.
im 14 and i agree whole heartedlyQuote:
Originally posted here by spools.exe
Well as most of you know i am considerad a child being an age of 16. I feel that if i boght the oc with my own money i have the right to know whats on it, not my parents.
scouts rockQuote:
[i] My 10 yr. old I don't worry about so much. He is active in scouting.[/B]
Hmmm....one of my kids hands me that line I'm cutting off access to the electricity....problem solved.Quote:
If said child buys omputer and is regestered to them it is the child computer legally hence giving the parent no unauthorized access to the computer.
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