Violence over Art?

Hey Hey,

Neg: As far as my hated of cops, it has nothing to do with breaking the law... I've had them pull their guns on me and threat to haul me off to jail for stepping out of a parked vehicle. The driver had ran a red and parked and we were getting out when the cops pulled up, pulled their guns and screamed "Get the **** back in your vehicle". Did the driver break the law... yes... did they pull us over? No.. they waited til we were stopped and made a big deal out of it. I've been pulled over by cops and had my vehicle searched because my brake pads were rubbing and squeeking. I was in my cousins car when he was pulled over and ticketed for "uncessecary noise" because of his exhaust (which was a fully functional system and came in at 80dB (we have a noise meter).. compare that to the average sound system install these days and it's quite low.) I've been stopped by cops and questioned on numerous occasions because I wear a hoodie and happened to be walking home from the bar or a coffee shop at like 2am. I'm glad the cops were a great assistance to you, maybe in 5, 10, even 15 years... I'll have a different view of cops... but as long as they harrass me for how I dress and my age... I'm going to have a complete disrespect for them. I used to have great respect for cops, stand up for them when others were disrespectful, but over the years as officers of the law have disrespected me, I've learned to disrespect them.

I wouldn't agree that 90% of Canadians are ignorant... especially not if you let America define ignorance... And no one even comes close to being as arrogant as Americans. They think they're Gods of the world.

devpon: It has nothing to do with being insecure. It has to do with being ashamed to be so close to a country who starts wars with no justified reason, who kills innocent civilians and uses the term "casualty of war"... in reality the term should be "for fun". I'm ashamed to be next to a country who's youths (19,20) cross the border, get liquored up and start trying to pick fights with every Canadian they see because they think they are God.

As far as the bulldozer, it is definately quite incredible that he built it, however that's no excuse for his actions.
I never said I wanted to kill cops, I'm very much against violence.. I said they should all be killed. Do I want someone to walk up and shoot them for no reason... nope.. but if they are killed off I most definately will not shed a tear. If a police officer every shows me respect, or even attempts to not disrespect me, then I'll change my attitude... but not until then. As for killing your President... that's not violence... that's common sense. Anyone with half a brain would realize that this guy needs to die.... to pay for the attrocities that have been committed by his order.

I never said Canada was perfect... We are far from it. Our latest government is making things worse and given the chance I'd find a way to assassinate our heads of state. However being against guns, it'd take a long time for me to get in range with one of my swords. However when compared to American, we look like a shining example of perfection. We're loved the world around, you on the other hand... well you're a world-wide joke. We don't go around sticking our noses in other peoples business, we don't go around killing innocent people and say it's in an effort to preserve peace. Our health care is "mostly" free, unlike yours. I think the biggest thing is that we don't have "Homeland Security" aka the Gestapo.

Peace,
HT

HT:

Man.... You have some issues..... I put it down to your youth...... Don't worry, the inexorable march of time cures these things. ;)

I find it somewhat amusing that you recommend the killing of all police officers, the President of the United States and your own legislators. Then you have that three line tagline below it. Isn't that all a tad contradictory. Methinks you're not being a particuarly good Christian...... :eek:

As to the USA being a worldwide joke and Canada being loved by all....... Son, you're only "loved" right now because you aren't high on the priority list. Remember this, (paraphrased):-

They came for the Jews, I did nothing.
They came for the Blacks, I did nothing.
They came for the Catholics, I did nothing.
Then they came for me and there was no-one left to help.

If the USA/Britain etc. fail or give up Canada's time _will_ come. The islamists don't hate American because they are *******s they hate them "because"..... They hate Canada too, they just haven't got to you yet.....

PS: WTF is a "hoodie"?

HT

I'm quite dissapointed by your ignorance in these matters. You're very foolishly weakening your character by allowing the actions of ONE person define your opinion towards a whole country. I think you are either very ignorant about Canada or are purpously closing your eyes towards the crime in Canada. ****, i'm going to hate all Muslims because of what some of them did to the US. I'm going to hate all Germans because of what they did to the jews during WW2. I'm going to hate all africans for what they're doing in their own country (killing, mutilation, canibalism), I'm going ot hate all Greeks because the dont like Albanians, I'm going ot hate all serbs for trying to kill Albanians off the face of the earth if it wasn't for USA. I'm going ot hate all Canadians for thinking they're so god damn better than the rest of the world...and here you are contradicting yourself again. You're saying "WE" think we're better than anyone else, but you think CANADA is better than us...?!?!?


I wasn't born in America, nor am I a citizen yet. Does that exlude me from your opinions about americans? Will I automatically be included in those opinions as soon as I get my citizenship?.

Lets look at a few factors here:

Canada's Population as of 2003: 32,207,113 (July 2003 est.) http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/ca.html

USA's Population as of 2003: 290,342,554 (July 2003 est.)
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/us.html


CRIMES:
http://www.nationmaster.com/region/NAM

USA:
Assault victims: 1.2% (1999)

Assaults: 2,238,480 (1999) [1st of 58]
(per capita): 7.70 per 1000 people

Murders: 12,658 (1999) [6th of 63]
(per capita): 0.04 per 1000 people [24th of 62]

Murders with firearms: 8,259 (1999) [4th of 32]
(per capita): 0.02 per 1000 people


Rape victims: 0.4% (1999)

Rapes: 89,110 (1999) [1st of 66]
(per capita): 0.30 per 1000 people

Property crime victims: 10.0% (1999)



Total crime victims: 21.1% (1999)

Total crimes: 23,677,800 (1999) [1st of 61]
(per capita): 81.55 per 1000 people

Nobel prize laureates: 270 [1st of 45]
(per capita): 0.92 per 1 million people


Canada:



Assault victims: 2.3% (1999)

Assaults: 233,517 (2000) [6th of 58]
(per capita): 7.25 per 1000 people


Murders: 489 (2000) [26th of 63]
(per capita): 0.01 per 1000 people

Murders with firearms: 165 (1999) [12nd of 32]
(per capita): 0.00 per 1000 people


Property crime victims: 10.4% (1999)
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Rape victims: 0.8% (1999)

Rapes: 24,049 (2000) [3rd of 66]
(per capita): 0.74 per 1000 people


Total crime victims: 23.8% (1999)

Total crimes: 2,476,520 (2000) [7th of 61]
(per capita): 76.89 per 1000 people



Nobel prize laureates: 10 [12nd of 45]
(per capita): 0.31 per 1 million people



Think for one second and tell me...honestly....do you really think Canada's better off? If you think so, you're only fooling yourself, and you know it....just too ashamed or proud to admit it.

Take into consideration the Racial Diversity in the US also....and don't blame all the stupid **** on the americans. Americans are not the only ones doing crimes. You got pulled over by the cops...BOOO ****In WOO. They pulled a gun at your face...probably because your friend did something stupid. I've always been respected by the cops and they've ALWAYS helped me when I've needed them. They'd go over the line of duty to protect you so don't throw that **** in their face....maybe its just the canadian cops u were talking about?

just because the police suggest she limit her public exposier, as in a location plastered accross the news, does not mean they are not busy protecting her and her children.

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Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
HT:

Man.... You have some issues..... I put it down to your youth...... Don't worry, the inexorable march of time cures these things. ;)

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I don't have issues, I have eyes. I don't pull my opinions out of thin air. I form them from what I see.

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I find it somewhat amusing that you recommend the killing of all police officers, the President of the United States and your own legislators. Then you have that three line tagline below it. Isn't that all a tad contradictory. Methinks you're not being a particuarly good Christian...... :eek:

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Once again with the killing of police officers my words are being mangled. As far as legislators go, sometimes it's needed. It's not violence... it's necessity to gain control in a world they are failing. Christianity has been the cause of many wars, so that's a bad example. I am a good Christian. I have my bible and my religion, however I stay away from the useless drivel of the church.

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As to the USA being a worldwide joke and Canada being loved by all....... Son, you're only "loved" right now because you aren't high on the priority list. Remember this, (paraphrased):-

They came for the Jews, I did nothing.
They came for the Blacks, I did nothing.
They came for the Catholics, I did nothing.
Then they came for me and there was no-one left to help.

If the USA/Britain etc. fail or give up Canada's time _will_ come. The islamists don't hate American because they are *******s they hate them "because"..... They hate Canada too, they just haven't got to you yet.....

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I've got nothing against any specific race, creed, colour or religion. Just against your country. I've also said on numerous occasions that it's not all Americans that I hate. You can say people hate Canada as well, yet compare the actual numbers, America is much more hated than we are. Let them get to us then. We haven't sat for the last 20-30 years and killed off their innocent women and children. You have... 911 may have been a tragedy, but if you look at it in biblical terms.. an eye for an eye... then they haven't even gotten started on you yet. Once again, most Canadians I know share my opinion.

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PS: WTF is a "hoodie"?

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A sweatshirt wit a hood on it.

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Originally posted here by Cybr1d
HT

I'm quite dissapointed by your ignorance in these matters. You're very foolishly weakening your character by allowing the actions of ONE person define your opinion towards a whole country. I think you are either very ignorant about Canada or are purpously closing your eyes towards the crime in Canada. ****, i'm going to hate all Muslims because of what some of them did to the US. I'm going to hate all Germans because of what they did to the jews during WW2. I'm going to hate all africans for what they're doing in their own country (killing, mutilation, canibalism), I'm going ot hate all Greeks because the dont like Albanians, I'm going ot hate all serbs for trying to kill Albanians off the face of the earth if it wasn't for USA. I'm going ot hate all Canadians for thinking they're so god damn better than the rest of the world...and here you are contradicting yourself again.

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You say you aren't, but for the most part, the US is. With Homeland Security and all your other bullshit... with the events after 911... The US is one step away from concentration camps. Again, however, I never said I hated _ALL_ Americans... that's twisting my words. I hate your government, your rednecks and about 50-75% of your population.

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You're saying "WE" think we're better than anyone else, but you think CANADA is better than us...?!?!?

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You're damn straight, I think Canada is 100x better than the US. However I don't think we're better than the rest of the world. I realize that a good chunk of Europe is considerably better than Canada. I'm just looking at it as a ladder, and we're one rung above you, there just happen to be many rungs above us.

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I wasn't born in America, nor am I a citizen yet. Does that exlude me from your opinions about americans? Will I automatically be included in those opinions as soon as I get my citizenship?.

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That all depends, do you have the American hollier than thou opinion? If so, then yes, you fall into my opinions.

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Lets look at a few factors here:

Canada's Population as of 2003: 32,207,113 (July 2003 est.) http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/ca.html

USA's Population as of 2003: 290,342,554 (July 2003 est.)
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/us.html


CRIMES:
http://www.nationmaster.com/region/NAM

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Think for one second and tell me...honestly....do you really think Canada's better off? If you think so, you're only fooling yourself, and you know it....just too ashamed or proud to admit it.

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Statistics are great, but they rely on one's willingness to contact the authorities. How many muslims and islamists were assaulted after 911 and turned the other way, because when they attempted to file a complaint they were met by pigheaded cops who were arrogant, racist and just didn't care. Did you notice how these statistics also don't list how many Americans were acquitted? How many times did someone who had commited a crime get off because the cops didn't do their job, or because they had money. In the stats you posted did you also look at the total crimes listed? Did you notice that American was roughly (rounding both numbers) 5 more crimes per 1000 people than Canada. That means 1 more crime per every 200 people. In a city the size of mine (330,000) that means an additional 1650 crimes per year. That's a rather large difference don't you think?

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Take into consideration the Racial Diversity in the US also....and don't blame all the stupid **** on the americans. Americans are not the only ones doing crimes.

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That sounds like a racial comment to me. I don't even know if I want to touch that. However if you think that America is the only country with Racial Diversity then, my friend, you are the close minded one.

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You got pulled over by the cops...BOOO ****In WOO. They pulled a gun at your face...probably because your friend did something stupid. I've always been respected by the cops and they've ALWAYS helped me when I've needed them. They'd go over the line of duty to protect you so don't throw that **** in their face....maybe its just the canadian cops u were talking about?

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The cops have never done a thing to protect me, they've harassed me a few times, but never protected me. We had a break-in and called the cops... took them a couple hours to respond. Doesn't sound like they're doing **** for me. As far as the Must just be Canadian Cops? How quickly you forget Rodney King. How about some of these links, since you are so fond of links and stats.

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2...-28/cover.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...etc/boyer.html
http://www.abcactionnews.com/stories...0502cops.shtml
http://tfc-charts2.w2d.com/forum/ind...es;read=294251 *Personal Blog Not Fact*
http://www.ironminds.com/ironminds/i...27/loser.shtml *More Personal
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...ract_id=426762 *Study done to show why good cops protect bad cops*
http://www.detnews.com/2003/metro/03...c01-106394.htm - $14.3 Mil in settlements must mean someones doing something wrong.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/debate/mcn/mcn8.htm - Yes it is titled "America's Plague of Bad Cops

If these aren't enough would you like to buy a tape on the subject? http://shop.store.yahoo.com/rottenstore/badcops.html. There's enough of a problem with it that they can sell a 75min tape.

I'd go on with links, but I think this has proved my point. Do you still think that the bad cops are only in Canada?

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just because the police suggest she limit her public exposier, as in a location plastered accross the news, does not mean they are not busy protecting her and her children.

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Although it doesn't mean they are busying protecting her and her children either. You can look at it your way, and I'll look at it mine.

Of course... my main reason for disliking America? FoxTrack. You people introduced cheerleaders afterwards, which I hate in hockey, but hey... I'm a guy so I can appreciate it. However FoxTrack? All because a bunch of Americans complained that they couldn't follow the puck? Talk about ruining a sport. You guys have baseball, the worlds worst sport, ruin that.... not hockey. sheesh :P

Anyways feel free to keep coming back, because I'll keep responding.

Peace,
HT

HT: I'm English.... Please don't accuse me of being American _ever_ again.... You'll be calling me Welsh next..... :rolleyes:

<Edited 'cos I finished the honey-do list and I'm at the satellite office..... I'm "free" ;)>

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they are the lowest form of life and should all be killed of.

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Hard to see how anyone is "mangling" those words.....

Your answers, as a "good christian" to many of the problems approached in this conversation have been to kill the protagonist. Yet you state you are a good christian that doesn't believe in guns, dislikes the US president enough to kill him, you want your legislators killed and you don't like nasty little American kids coming over and kicking some Canadian ass....... Those are the issues I'm talking about......

I wonder about your commitment in your stating that Canada is better than the US. You claim that Bush should be killed but then you say:-

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As far as legislators go, sometimes it's needed. It's not violence... it's necessity to gain control in a world they are failing

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If your Canadian legislators are screwing up to the same extent Bush is, how is Canada better..... They both seem equally messed up according to what you are saying... BTW... as an aside.... Killing someone is violence.... be it passive or active... It's violence.... get used to it....

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I am a good Christian. I have my bible and my religion, however I stay away from the useless drivel of the church.

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ROFL..... Thus spake the Inquisition..... You are beginning to sound like an Islamist....

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America is much more hated than we are

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I'd rather be hated for something I am than something I pretend to be..... You might want to think about that HT..... what with your christian professions and you propensity for solving your problems with violence...... just a thought.

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The cops have never done a thing to protect me, they've harassed me a few times, but never protected me.

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The simple fact that you don't get your butt kicked and your **** stolen every day proves they are protecting you daily..... You just refuse to see that and give credit where credit is due. One day you will _need_ them..... They will be there for you, even if they hate your guts.... they will do thier job and help you..... Would you do the same for a police officcer that needs help? Or would you not even piss on them if they were burning in the gutter? An American would help the cop...... So would I.... But I'm a Brit.... I have standards......

Rodney King deserved what he got.... He wouldn't respond to the orders of a law enforcement officer.... period..... He has since proved that he is a POS on more than one occasion...... Bad example.....

Can you see the ball as it's pitched in Baseball?????? They should FoxTrack that.... Where I come from baseball is called Rounders..... Only girls play it...... On that subject Basketball is called Netball..... Funny.... only girls play it and they don't even have a backboard..... they use skill to pop it in the hoop.......

BTW: WTF is hockey??????? Figure skating for men.... They allow fights and do nothing to stop it...... But then, with your propensity for violence, I'm sure that works for you.....

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You cop lovers have never had one pull you over for nothing. It's against the law to stop you for no reason, but in Michigan you can be pulled over to have the tread on your tires meassured to make sure it's street legal, so basically, if they want to, they can pull you over.

How many of you besides HT have actually had a cop hold you at gun point while they were searching you for NO reason?

How many of you have actually ****ign been beaten by the police? I'm white, and so is my best friend, and he has had ribs cracked while he was being restrained by other cops. Those clubs they carry hurt.

Negative, grow your hair out and get a Mohawk, and wear that jacket I want, see how much they help you out then....Actually, I take that back.

Move to Michigan and try that ****. If you ran up to a cop here he would have a gun pointed at you before you made it 5 feet to him, and he would be assuming you were up to no good. The police in my town are ****ing *****s.

Long before I ever touched drugs, I had police ****ing me over. So don't try blaming that. I used to have no problem with cops. I turned 18, and started getting pulled over for what seems like no reason. I would be pulled over even when cars in front of me would be doing the speed limit....Hello, if they aren't speeding and I am, I would HIT them.

I gave up on the police.

My best friend had a problem with his neighboor and they called the cops. They showed up, and the cop said "It's not my problem, and I don't care"....Helpful. I bet he liked it when a friend said "Officer, tell your wife and my kids I said hi".

That pissed him off good, but he deserved it. "To serve and protect" My ****ing ass. They only thing they ever served me was a ticket and some beatings. I'd rather walk through 6 mile Detroit than walk through a police station, I wouldn't feel as safe.

Maybe the cops where Neg lives are different, but here, your ass belongs to them, and they are big doughnut eating ****ing lawn mowers.

When this **** was happening, I may not have been perfect, but I wasn't a criminal. I didn't steal, and besides MP3s, I don't. I wasn't doing anything wrong, and I was a very food law obiding person.

That changed after being pulled over for the 5th time for NO reason. The cop said he clocked me at 92 MPH... I had people in front of me but they weren't speeding he said.... I got a ticket.

I went to court for this because I had taken enough, the cop actually showed up, and it was my word against the cops....Guess who got believed? I had to pay a ticket that day for something I shouldn't of even been ticketed for.

That was also the LAST time I have ever bothered to pull over for the police. I have ran every time since then. Why even bother pulling over when I know what will happen? I've gotten very good at running, as I'm not in prison, and I have gotten away every time now. They are going to put effort into ****ing me into another damn ticket.

As for Americans....**** 'em.

As for Bush, **** him too

As for authority, **** it.

And is it true they may have a draft again? I'll be whiping my ass with it, and getting the rest with the flag.


I pledge defiance to the flag,
And the united states of *******s,
And to the Nazi camp, for which it stands,
One nation, going to hell,
Because our president is a ****ing dick,
With liberty, and justice for those who can afford it.

I for one have been pulled over for no reason, had the guns pulled on me for no reason, and been beaten for no reason.


**** cops.


I've been lucky enough to be able to buy my way out of every case they've ever thrown at me... It's not that I was guilty... I just wouldn't have been able to prove my innocence.

I'm leaving this country as soon as possible. I ain't going to Canada, but I was thinking somewhere around England, Germany, or France....

I'm just sick of the Bullshit here.

Gore.... You're still a child..... I live just down the road from you..... for the last 11 years..... I got stopped once..... It's all about how you deal with them..... Be an ass, be treated as such.... grow up and you'll be treated properly....... DUH!!!!!

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As far as my hated of cops, it has nothing to do with breaking the law... I've had them pull their guns on me and threat to haul me off to jail for stepping out of a parked vehicle. The driver had ran a red and parked and we were getting out when the cops pulled up, pulled their guns and screamed "Get the **** back in your vehicle".

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Uh, did this happen in the US or in Canada?
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