Another beheading

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Now we are talking how best to humiliate these people. Dead is dead, simple. The more we degrade their faith, the stronger their cause will become, not only in occupied countries, but all over the world where there are muslims.

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Actually that is why I would go for hanging. It has nothing to do with their faith as it is a civil punishment. Terrorists especially religious fanatics see themselves as having a higher moral justification for their acts. It is important to get the message across that they are no different than anyone else that commites a crime. I am sure if you bring them before a court using their own laws the sentence would be death.

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I'm just glad they are keeping to the geneva convention.

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Why should they? Didint Bush declare the war in Iraq over? If there is no war then the convention doesnt apply. Roadclosed You know my opinion on Bush putting the US on a war footing so I wont go into it here. All I will say is you should expect terrorist to complain about their rights and the fact that they are protected by different international conventions but you should not expect them to respect your rights or the international conventions they use to protect themselves.

The war in Iraq is over. This is Al Quida rearing it head out of the holes it has left or can get away with. They and their copiers attack Iraqis, Koreans, Europeans, without mercy or any spitting image of Geneva and those long ago conventions. My entire post was full of sarcasm. So Al quida prisoners should not be given geneva convention autonomy? If their Islamic brothers do not do so as courtesy? And because there is not longer a war? Interesting.

The revered mastermind in Iraq Al-Zarqawi once again quouted just today that he and his followers will fight Americans and the Iraqi government until Islamic rule is once again back on earth. I mean that's hard to fix isn't it, without resorting to their own style of violence. Whoever said you can't fight violence with violence, hasn't examined world history very well. EVIL can only be stopped by violence. Hitler didn't stop gassing the Jews becuase we were nice to him and let him conquer Europe (minus the that big island over by the North Sea) and others beyond the millenia. Of course that is my own sense of evil, but I'll stand by it.

~10 000 dead iraqi civillians http://www.iraqbodycount.net/ , 3 beheadings and everyone goes apeshit what a joke. <bitter sarcasm> I guess death is only important if your not a sand nigger </bitter sarcasm>

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Tom Grey answers David Crow's request the empirical basis for his statement on the number of dead under Saddam Hussein. "See http://www.gbn.org/ArticleDisplaySer...=2400&msp=1242 Here is an excerpt:":Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power"

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I think that put's your 10,000 deaths back into proper perspective lumpy. Saddam was managing 25,000 a year..... We are 15,000 in profit!!!!

The Joke is that you take the figure you are given and don't look to see what the alternative is, you just blindly jump on something that sounds so terrible. A very liberal trait indeed.

Should I assume that a critical thought process is only important if you aren't a Canadian? ;)

Many more would die if Al Queda would ever gain power there. Iraq isn't exactly a model state based on the Al Queda view of Islam. I am considering educating or discussing more about Al Queda in the future. For instance I was surpised at their audacity to behead a Korean. They calculated that move very carefully and chose the director for their world staging. Their Star was found hours later near Falujah. I wonder how many of those 10,000 lived in that town? I wonder how many "brothers" are dying at the hands of Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi. I wonder why the media continues to play his message all around the world... containing activation codes to pre arranged, and pre planned terrorist cell watching for the "green light".

how did they establish "civilian" dead. those that weren't wearing uniforms?

"I wonder why the media continues to play his message all around the world... containing activation codes to pre arranged, and pre planned terrorist cell watching for the "green light""

if you consider those that fight the war effort on every front, list the number killed by terrorist bombs as numbers only and and those killed by american assaults as 'civilians including woman and children' anything but 'the enemy' i dont know what else to say. its very clear whose side they are fighting for.

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Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
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I think that put's your 10,000 deaths back into proper perspective lumpy. Saddam was managing 25,000 a year..... We are 15,000 in profit!!!!

The Joke is that you take the figure you are given and don't look to see what the alternative is, you just blindly jump on something that sounds so terrible. A very liberal trait indeed.

Should I assume that a critical thought process is only important if you aren't a Canadian? ;)

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The ends justify the means do they? , The deaths cited are averaged out over his whole reign which was VERY bloody when fully supported by the us in the 80s with wmd and technology, ironic isn't it ? , in recent times he was killing far less people.

The us goverment fails to count the dead (or even allow you to see the coffins of the american dead wonder why?) so i have no reference too even it out with.



I think that it is very sick that a couple killings , can obscure the deaths of thousands, makes sence to me.


Critical thought is not a bastion in america , note _fox news_ and half of americans still beliving saddam and osama are buddys and wmd existed, even Cheney still believes that hahahahhahaha pot calling the kettle black their;)

Are those deaths in Iraq in general since the "US occupation" cause by US soldiers? Does that include the 80 people that were killed during car bombings...and the 230+ wounded, some of which will die from their wounds. Does it also include the hundreds of innocent civilians that are killed during other roadside bombings, and car bombings caused by the militia? What about the deaths caused by getting caught in the crossfire during firefights between the Coalition forces and the insurgents? Is that number a count of deaths caused by US soldiers alone or does it also include deaths caused by other coalition soldiers, such as the British for that matter.

Don't get me wrong, 100 killed civilians is 100 killed civilians too many. I'm trying to understand, or hopefully have others understand that during a war such as this one, you cannot just point your finger at the US and blame them for all the deaths that are happening. You could argue that if the US had never went in there, then those civilians would have been killed. One could also argue that if the US had not gone in there, then other civilians would have died by the Hussein Regime. I see you saying that those numbers have averaged since the 80s....are you saying that since lately he's been doing less killing of civilians, Saddam wasn't so bad?

If you want to see that number slow down (it wont decrease, its impossible), but if you really want to see that number slow down dramatically, it has to start with the militants opposing the US, which are the one's causing the most deaths amongst the civilians. Every day you read in the paper, car bombing here, car bombing there...20 killed here by a bomb, 80 killed there by another bomb...They're killing their own people, and for what, to earn animosity towards the US? Quite frankly is working since so many people are sick and tired of "US SOLDIERS KILLING INNOCENT CIVILIANS".

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The us goverment fails to count the dead (or even allow you to see the coffins of the american dead wonder why?) so i have no reference too even it out with.

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Are you talking about American casualties or Iraqi that they're not counting?
One reason why they are not showing the coffins of the soldiers is sim ply because of all the propaganda that is going on in the states. Remember, its an election year, and you have the majority of the press being liberal. If no1 has access to take pictures of something that can be used as political propaganda, then no1 has anything to bitch and whine about. That priviledge can be abused very easily. Take into account Michael Moore for example, with his new movie "Fahrenheit 9/11". He dares to use the grief and pain of a mother who lost her son in Iraq, and make her read the last letter her son sent her, while pointing a camera at her face. Can you say irresponsible media?
Journalism here in the US has gonne to shits....and there is no more such thing as responsible journalism, except a few.

My 2 cent.

Lumpy - There is a big distinction between civilian casualties that are incurred collaterally during the process of fighting the enemy, which admittedly the U.S. is guilty of, and targeting civilians as Al-Queda does. The civilians that were killed by the U.S. were due to errant missles, stray bullets, in the wrong place at the wrong time, or they were voluntarily/involuntarily used as human shields around military targets. During this whole conflict with Iraq the U.S. has never targeted and killed civilians on purpose. Al-Queda and Saddam on the other hand has targeted, kidnapped, and killed civilians in cold blood. Saddam called this just in the name of maintaining his power base, and Al-Queda called this just according to Allah.

If this is the kind of Society that you desire to live in, then I am glad you reside in Canada instead of the United States.

There were two fairly important points made here. Firstly while there are 10,000 dead Iraqis it should be remembered that the US army were not the only ones shooting. Secondly the vast majority of people killed under Sadams regiem were killed while he had open support from the west. It is important to seperate the propaganda from the facts on both sides.