Drug dealers have to pay tax too!

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Amendment XVI

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

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http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...ndmentxvi.html

It's a sad thing. The USA survived until 1913 without an income tax. The public
was apparently in favor of it, under the mistaken impression that it would
never apply to ordinary working people. It was one of the reforms of the
progressive era.
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Originally posted here by whizkid2300
MilitantEidolon you do know that under the Counstitution, you are given the right. To say you think the Gvt. is Unjust, and talk about a relovution.

You can even go about starting one, as long as you don't violate any laws in the Country.

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Just to clarify, the Constitution only allows for the peaceful assembling of groups, so if you were to get together (like the Michigan Militia) and start gathering guns aimed at a coup d'etat, they'd stop you. Besides the peaceful assembling clause in the Constitution, there is also the Smith Act of 1940, which says:


"54 Stat. 670, 671, title I, §§2-3 (June 28, 1940),

current version at 18 U.S.C. §2385



Sec. 2. (a) It shall be unlawful for any person--


(1) to knowingly or willfully advocate, abet, advise, or teach the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government;


(2) with the intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any government in the United States, to print, publish, edit, issue, circulate, sell, distribute, or publicly display any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence;


(3) to organize or help to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any government in the United States by force or violence; or to be or become a member of, or affiliate with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof. "
http://1stam.umn.edu/main/historic/Smith1940.htm

I just wanted to clarify for anyone who might've been confused by that post.

SON OF A BITCH!

I know you people were just waiting for me to post in this. I hardly ever read GCC, but I saw the word drug and leaped into action.


I have to pay taxes? Wait....This says it's for Pot....Buahahahahaha still on top!

I will also very glady pay extortion...I mean, Taxes, when two things become legalised, and one decriminalised. There is a difference between legal and decriminalised. Decriminalised means it's not legal, but you won't end up like you would in the US for possesion.

Legal...Heh, yea, my hopes and dreams.


I want Cocain Decriminalised. The medicinal uses of it are amazing, even though I don't use it, I do know a lot about it. It's great for surgerys, and is still in wide use today in Hospitals in the US in one form or another.

I want Opium Legalised. Completly. And Pot. I don't smoke Pot, but it should be legal. I've done it a few times enough to know the dangers, and it should be treated like Alcohol, which is more dangerouse than Cocain, Heroin, Opium, or Pot. Yet it's legal.

Pot should be treated like Alcohol, in that when you use it, you can't drive. It's that easy.

This would keep non violent drug users from having to be thrown in a cage with people who have murdered and so on. I've heard plenty of times of people in my city being drunk, or in a bad mood, so they reach for the booze, and end up killing, or beating, the kids, or their wives. That's bullshit.

Now, how many times have you seen someone stoned beat ANYONE? Hell, besides a vending machine that won't pop out that bag of chips they don't hit anything.

Opium.....Opiates are as safe as.....Opiates are only dangerous of you're an idiot. They do no damage to you, your body, or your mind, and you don't get a hang over, it's addictive....So what? I know a few people who have DIED from Oxygen withdrawels, but none from Opiates. They are much safer.

Opiates cure pain, both emotional and physical, they stop coughing, and they stop Diarheea. Oh, and rubbing Morphine or Opium on your skin will heal rashes and can be used as a lotion.

The seeds from the plant, and the pod the Opium is in, are all edible. You can use it for food, you can use the seeds to make cooking oil, the flowers are amazing looking, this plant has so many uses.

God created this plant, so who the **** are you to judge me or tell me it's wrong?

I'm willing to pay extra money for freedom. Untill then, I'm not paying taxes so the cops can laugh and toss my **** in a sack anyway, regaurdless of a sticker on it saying I paid for it.... ****ers.


"Hey! Wait! My habbit pays your salary *******!"

Wonder who besides me has the balls to say that one ;)

a bit O/T here guys sorry....

Gore... you know me I partially agree with you on many drug related things and certainly I don't think taking the ones you're on about is a criminal offence, but can we get one thing straight...

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Opiates cure pain

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is not correct - they block receptors in the CNS which stops you from feeling pain - take the opiates away whilst the pain response is still active and after a short time you will feel pain again - this is not a cure, it is temporary relief.

Sorry for being retentive about this... but... well you know me. ;)

/OT rant

normal service resumes... please carry on..

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Originally posted here by Zonewalker
a bit O/T here guys sorry....

Gore... you know me I partially agree with you on many drug related things and certainly I don't think taking the ones you're on about is a criminal offence, but can we get one thing straight...


is not correct - they block receptors in the CNS which stops you from feeling pain - take the opiates away whilst the pain response is still active and after a short time you will feel pain again - this is not a cure, it is temporary relief.

Sorry for being retentive about this... but... well you know me. ;)

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\actually, they don't block pain at all. They change your perception of it. Opiates allow you to be relieved of pain while remaining concious. Something no other Pain killer is capable of. Also, you can still feel the pain, it just doesn't hurt anymore. Opiates are great for pain. you are a bit correct about the way you described it, but another great quality of Opiates is, they won't numb it like Cocain, they will make it feel different.

This is great, because most of the time, pain getting worse can mean something serious and even life threatening, and if you take an Opiate, you not only are not bothered by the pain anymore, you can still tell if it gets worse. Opiates can save a life, and make it worth living.

My Opiate therapy I've given myself has taken me from suicidal, to ....Well you know how I am now, I'm easy going, fun, and I make people laugh, and my chronic Migraines and back pains are gone. I can stillt ell when the pain get's worse, which means the pain doesn't hurt anymore, but also, I know if it gets worse so I can respond accordingly.

It's cool how Opiates work. The pain is still there, but it just doesn't hurt anymore, and you're totally aware of when and if it gets worse so you can tell the Dr. or Hospital.

Opiates have taken away my depression, my pain, and helped me enjoy life. I'll fight for them as long as I'm standing.

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\actually, they don't block pain at all. They change your perception of it. Opiates allow you to be relieved of pain while remaining concious. Something no other Pain killer is capable of. Also, you can still feel the pain, it just doesn't hurt anymore. Opiates are great for pain. you are a bit correct about the way you described it, but another great quality of Opiates is, they won't numb it like Cocain, they will make it feel different.

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<cough>... excuse me... see this link -

http://www.elmhurst.edu/~chm/vchembook/674narcotic.html

specifically this quote

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The main pharmacological action of analgesics is on the cerebrum and medulla of the central nervous system. Another effect is on the smooth muscle and glandular secretions of the respiratory and gastro-intestinal tract. The precise mechanism of action is unknown although the narcotics appear to interact with specific receptor sites to interfere with pain impulses.

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precise mechanism unknown (although significant strides have been made in the last few years I should point out) but appear to interact with specific receptor sites to interfere with pain impulses i.e. they block them... if you want to know its thought that opiates block the acetyl choline response

also
http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/mim/dru...phine_text.htm
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Its analgesic properties are related to the ability of the molecule to fit into and block a specific receptor site on a nerve cell. This eliminates the action of the pain receptor, preventing the pain signals reaching the brain. This is similar to the way in which the body's natural painkillers (endorphins and enkaphalins) work. The shape of the morphine molecule is crucial to its ability to exactly fit into the active site on the receptor - the 'lock-and-key' mechanism. The benzene group of the morphine molecule fits snugly against a flat section of the receptor protein, whilst the bent neighbouring group of carbon atoms fits into a nearby groove. This allows the positively charged nitrogen atom to attach to a negatively-charged group on the receptor, so locking the two molecules together.

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directly referring to morphine I know but morphine is a derivative from opium and is also found in naturally occuring opium

direct from the encyclopaedia brittanica

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Analgesics are classified by the mechanism of their pain-relieving action as opioids (opiates and similar synthetic compounds), which act on receptors in the brain to inhibit pain impulses, or nonopioids (nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory…

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Opium is an analgesic - its one of the drugs that first defined what an analgesic is......

I can give you a shed load of scientific research papers in this area if you like (I used to study pharmacology as part of my BSc) showing that opiates DO block pain. I will say that opiates DO NOT block all neural impulses so yes they will change your perceptions - this is not the same as saying that they do not block pain though. You said it yourself

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pain is still there, but it just doesn't hurt anymore

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It doesn't hurt anymore because the nerves telling your brains that an area of your body is damaged and is in pain are being blocked. The reason you're still aware of damage (pain if you will although it's not correct terminology in this instance) to that area is because of the inflammation response causing pressure on other nerves in the surrounding tissue. These pressured nerves are firing response to your brains telling you thats something is causing pressure... but since the chemical response is different from pain it isn't blocked by the opium.

Gore I'm not arguing with you about the ethical or moral implications of drug use (like I said before I tend to agree with you as regards legalisation) - however I am arguing with you about the scientifc basis on which they work and frankly my friend in this area you are wrong.

I'm not questioning your own experiences but I am explaining why you are experiencing them..... if you want to carry on this topic though can we take it to PM cos I don't think everyone else would want to hear?

Z

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DIED from Oxygen withdrawels

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Um...Don't we tend to call that "suffication"? :D

rcgreen: By the way, I go to the school you linked to, Cornell. ;)

I'm open to new information, I'm not going to assume you were trying to argue. It's good to hear more than one side sometimes. I just seem to have been given wrong information from one of the medical papers I read about this. though I usually do instead go by personal experience over medical papers.

Why did you stop studying medicine? You could have been a Dr and be giving me perscriptions like right now!

Become a doctor man, I need someone in the enemy camp as a friend.


I say enemy camp, because even after proving a pharmacist and a Doctor wrong about Opiates, and how I in fact DO need them, I still don't get them from them. I can't get them because.....I'm not sure. They will pump me full of Xanax and things like that, but won't give me what I need/Want. So therefore, **** 'em. If only I had the money to do my own TV show. I've left an open challenge to anyone to prove me wrong in saying Opium is safe when used intelligently.

Like they say, Opiate users think like a philosopher, and act like a samaritan. I've also recently found a new form of Vicodin. It doesn't contain the high dose of Aceatominophin/Tylenol like Vicodin usually has, which can damage your liver, it only has 80 MGs of Tylenol, compared to the usual 750 MGs, and it also has 15 MGs of the actual Hydrocodone.

I myself drooled. You could lay a super model in my bed naked, and hand me a box of No-Doze and Viagra, and I wouldn't drool. =o***

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just seem to have been given wrong information from one of the medical papers I read about this.

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thats the one thing they never tell the more casual reader of scientific papers.... there are good papers and bad papers - the bad ones frequently use lots of statistics to draw shaky conclusions or simply don't have the experimental details properly thought out or just draw inaccurate conclusions from results. I would say from my own experiences that medical doctors tend to write some of the worst scientific papers (obviously thats a generalisation and its not wholly true of all papers written by medical doctors). But then thats because primarily they are medical doctors... not lab scientists - theres a difference in expertise. I wouldn't want a lab scientist to perform a triple heart bypass - although its quite possible they would know how to in theory - similarly some medical doctors should really stay away from neuro-biochemistry and pharmacology.

Gore - really sorry to disappoint you but I wasn't studying for a medical degree so I wouldn't have been able to prescribe you drugs :(. My BSc was in Applied Biology - specialising in Biochemistry, Virology, Bacteriology and Genetics although like I say I did do a bit of pharmacology, neurophysiology, haematology and plant biochemistry. The MSc was in Biomedical science specialising in Immunology and Genetics (although like a lot of degrees we also touched on other areas). As for why I stopped studying - I only stopped formal study - after all the only other thing I could have done was a PhD and TBH I didn't fancy it, too many other things I wanted to learn about and I don't think that over specialisation is necessarily a good thing. I'm still in the biology field at the moment (I work for a clinical diagnostics company)- computers are more of a part time thing..... but thats changing as I'm currently 'retooling' with a view to step over into computers full time.

Anyway - enough of my life story... I don't trust a lot of medical doctors myself - half of them talk **** in my experience - I understand why they talk **** sometimes (reassuring the patient - 'we know what we're doing' etc) but theres no shame in saying 'I don't know' .

Most drugs are actually safe if used intelligently - alcohol ( I raise this as an example cos I know how you like to bring the side effects up in conversation) is actually very good for you if taken in moderation - but most people don't because its legal and has no 'obvious' long term effects. You and I (and in reality most people) know there are long term effects of alcohol abuse (liver failure, kidney failure, cirrhosis etc etc) but hey.... its only 18 pints we're not abusing it are we ;). Abuse is the killer....

However given the choice between opium and doing what I want to a naked super model - I'll take the naked super model (but you know something I'm probably not going to do to her what most men and women think I would do..... <evil chuckle> I'm just a sadist at heart sometimes)

Z