I have developed a way to a virus free internet...

mark, you are going -way- too hard on nokia. I fully support him, and the parent poster. Allow me to explain:


1. Viruses all work under a common theory: exploitation
2. Exploitation comes from a number of attributes: OS, Filesystem, Management rights, User error, etc
3. Eliminate the current avalaible methods and the ability for the viri to spread becomes hindered.

For example, compare the amount of viri from Windows to Mac, and then from Mac to Linux, and then from Linux to BSD. The numbers are staggeringly differnet, and not just because of one OS being used more than the other. There are certain founding principles in an OS which prevent a virus to a degree:

1. Titanic mode: using multiple partitions with secure settings to prevent systemwide infection
2. Restrictive user permissions: If the user doesn't have systme access to the items the viri needs in the first place, the viri can't attach itself to the binary file.
3. Unfamiliar enviroment: The viri simply doesn't know how to react in a different enviroment, such as a win viri in an osx.
4. OS level security/TCP security protocols that simply work in a completely seperate way. IPv6 is identical to this. It's new set of protocols and rules function in a way that will benifit the internet due to it's more protective nature by it's own coding. Sure, that could be exploited to, but adding an entire level of security at the core of something nullfies the ability for viri to attack.



Now, I hope you read that far. I only have one more thing to say... A long time ago we thought traveling to the moon was impossible due to the dangers of spaceflight, the cost involved, the human skill needed, and simply 'not knowing how'. Just like the moon, just like TV, just like learning the world is round, and just like discovering blackholes.... his idea may have merit in a way that we can't grasp now.

Genius' don't work off of stuff we already understand, and that is why they are geniuses. Because they can see something in a way that we can't grasp yet. Give his idea a chance, before saying we can't travel to the moon. Please.

He is not offering a technological break through. he is offering a miracle.

If you tell me that one day cows will talk through someones reading of wave paterns of electrons in thir brains I say fine.

if you tell me that one day all humans will behave and stop exploiting things then I will laugh in your face and tell you not to be stupid.

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Genius' don't work off of stuff we already understand

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As soon as you resolve to stop malicious coders through one method I guarentee they will circumvent your efforts in record time. One mans door is another mans challenge.

I put thie challenge of eradicating computer virii in the same category as world peace.

Oh look, I just saw 'hope' and 'possibility' leave the room.

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Could you name a senior member with full ap who is a 15 year old kid who knows nothing.

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Well Seniors with 11 green dots who act like 15 year olds and do know nothing? yes a few..

I think this question belongs more in the code section..

obviously gbrowne40 is not a programmer, and may realise a weakness or 2 in his idea once the coding starts.. but then again the reverse may be the truth. And it is the way with any inventor. If people don't test ideas, things don't move on..new "discoveries" will not come about. A the moment it is an idea, an opinion, that Virus's are always going to be with us..

I am skeptical that the idea will develop .. but I hope I am proven wrong..

but for goodness sake give gbrowne40 a chance.. Because none of us not even you Mark. know everything.. just some have a better idea in some area than others.

I'm sorry but I'm a sceptic on this one as well - with every piece of new technology we introduce into the wild we are opening up a new area where there could be potential flaws that may be exploited.

but the thing that has me thinking the most is how come one person can sketch out an idea to eradicate all virii when al those people working in the major AV companies can't - even with the thousands they're spending on research.

Not to mention those people who help out for nothing creating POC's and submitting them.

v_Ln

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but the thing that has me thinking the most is how come one person can sketch out an idea to eradicate all virii when al those people working in the major AV companies can't - even with the thousands they're spending on research.

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Why was it only Einstine(spelling?) who could finish the forumla to discover E=mc^2 and thus finish the equation nessessary to finish the atomic calculations for an atomic bomb?

Because he did.

the most important word in that pooh was 'finish'

he didn't do it by himself - we all stand upon the shoulders of those who have came before us....

Einstein had a background in physics & maths - yes he was a genuis which helped alot but he also had the teachings of other people to read, learn from & eventually better

now perhaps gbrowne might have a highly developed background in the field of AV but he has given no indication of that......from his original post the only thing you can tell about his history with AV and virii is that he is fed up with them.

Perhaps with a little bit more information about his background and the principles behind what he is suggesting I may retract my statements - but I seriously doubt that no matter what his background or experience what he is suggesting is impossible.

But I do hope he explains it some more as it would make a very intresting conversation discussing the possibilities and potentially the flaws of the system he has devised.

v_Ln

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but I seriously doubt that no matter what his background or experience what he is suggesting is impossible.

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People didn't realise electricity could exist until good old Ben created it. Come to think of it, no one had any idea or concept at that time, of the possibility of a medium of community through electrcity (telephone) that Ben also created.

People can do things that others do not understand because that is the nature of the human brain. Old laws of physics have been shattered over time. Paradigims and Ways to do Something have been altered dramatically through the years of mankind. Somethings happened gradually, others instantanius. There have been much larger odds in this world that have occured in times when people laughed and poked fun at the ideas others would have, than the one being presented here today.

My point here today isn't to make you believe him and ask "Is it possible?". No, not at all. My point here today is to show people that "There is always hope." I mean, come on, can you imagine what the people thought when Benjamin Frank went outside to fly a kite? In the middle of an fscking lighting storm??!!

Quick Martha! Quick! Come look at the Franklin boy! He's at it aga... OHH! IT JUST HIT HIM!"

Little did they know...

Instead of ramming an idea into the ground (good old witch burning days guys) why not at least support it? Instead of ranting and raving, hurting the feelings and possibly the idea of someone else, just not say anything.

To once again quote my mentor:
"If you can not say or do anything to help an idea or project, no matter how ridiculous sounding, do not choose to instead say and do things to hinder it. That defeats mankind's purpose of discovery and invention. That defeats the beauty of the human brain, and of dreams."

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I mean, come on, can you imagine what the people thought when Benjamin Frank went outside to fly a kite? In the middle of an fscking lighting storm??!!

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that statement contradicts partially what you said before it and i feel adds leverage to my argument.

If no-one knew about elctricity until Ben invented it why would they have anything to fear from it?
Simple question - just because they didn't know what it was didn't mean they didn't understand it - wern't aware of what it could do if it did chance to hit something or someone. So there was indeed some form of background before Ben's experiments. He did not just stand up one day and go 'Oh I fancy a cup of tea but can't be arsed lighting the fire - i know lets go harness some lightning so i can make an electric kettle!' ;)

but that is what gbrowne is suggesting - he has discovered something he doesn't like...in this case virii and suddenly he has a miracle cure for it that other large companies with thousands of employees - many of which speacilists in devising ways of combating virii havn't been able to do?

Now i appriciate what your saying about how we shouldn't let hope give way to acceptance but in this case I feel that we have bounded out of the realms of hope......beyond the fields of optimism....across the glade of self-indlugant dreaming - and have come to rest in a place built completly of prayers for something that in my eyes will never happen

but as i said before i would be more than happy to argue the pros and cons of whatever system he has cooked up - would actually make for an amusing diversion :)

v_Ln

So, that's it? We've just decided to toss the entire thing to the side of the road because we can't understand it nor ever forsee such a thing as being possible?

That's great guys. Yeah, I'm done.