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FWIW, you can't really compare capitalism and communism, they're two different things. The former is a set of beliefs around which you run the economy (based on free market principles) and the latter is a form of government. You can have a command economy without being communists and you can have a communist-style government whilst retaining free market aspects.
Who wants to live in Utopia where everyone is the same and nothing happens outside routine? That is what I envision with the word "Utopia" In my imaginary world I would picture something like a society that allows all things to moderation. Perhaps if I get lost in the mountain around Tibet I may find it some day. :)
There is one more thing that must be bread out: addiction.
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that should sum it up !! :)
Now if I can only get my shirt with a big slash through it I'll make my millions
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Originally posted here by !mitationRust
Yeah, including selective knowledge! ;) Citizens in communist states are nothing more than mental midgets, they only know what they read or hear; the history books they read are rewritten.
Slums like these.
Examples:CHINA Cuba N Korea Vietnam ect...
Notice anything?
I love these quotes,
“Communism doesn't need a dictator, it just ends up that way.”
"Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"
"If communism worked like it was supposed to then it would be one of the best types of governments. However, since people are not perfect and never will be, it ends up being one of the worst types of governments."
Yeah,communist slums.
People who actually believe in " :D [/B]
Canada is considered quite socialist by American standards yet we have much higher broadband usage
http://www.nua.ie/surveys/?f=VS&art_...58758&rel=true
than the USA (dial up is almost extinct here, i don't know a single person here who uses it).
Fox news is a no different than pravda was during the soviet era it is just controlled by a right wing corporate leader instead of the goverment. The USA also has the highest incarceration rate in the world
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0818/p02s01-usju.html should that not be reserved for the evil communists? Your "Communism are idiots/mental midgets!" shows your complete lack of understanding of political systems and the world at large (typical product of the "USAcentric" american education system)
nah i was merely referring to evolution of societal function my friend. and don't worry, you won't live to see that kind of society, although it is very possible and almost probable that something like that will happen. In evolution, you continue evolving, until you are killed off. If global warming doesn't kill us within the next few hundred years, (Im not referring to the arrant bullshit about climatology portrayed in the day after tomorrow) we will have to continue growing, both physically, and socially. Its a scary thought what might become of us in a few hundred years, but meh - imagine what the greeks thought of life in 2000+ years :)Quote:
Originally posted here by moxnix
Sure,as soon as something domesticates humans.......but I wouldn't make it in that kind of society.
did you happen to read the rest of my post?Quote:
Originally posted here by !mitationRust
Has "true communism" ever existed(prospering communism) and what country?
A bit one-sided don't you think? What about the liberal-controlled CNN empire?Quote:
Fox news is a no different than pravda was during the soviet era it is just controlled by a right wing corporate leader instead of the goverment.
And if evolution is going so well, how come it seems some folks are finding ways to get stupider? ;)
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Originally posted here by er0k
I wish Karl Marx was here to **** on mccarthy's grave.
beside the point. true communism is not stalinism. so thus neg is right, its not true communism, or even close. The idea of a classless society is not to have a ruling aristocracy. The ruler, generally envisioned to be rulers, are mere controllers of the goods, etc. The brightest people of the land, appointed by the people.
Read marx/engles - the communist manifesto && marx - das kapital
North Korea, bad bad bad place
Cuba - marxist at the beginning, castro got corrupt after the death of his good buddy, and my hero che gueverra
Vietnam - don't know anything about their gov't other than people claimed it was communist, i have a feeling it wasnt
Lenin was a good marxist, but not the right marxist. communism can indeed work, if it is anarcho-communism. ie the people control the people's goods, their society, etc, and work for the common good. It'd be a boring ass life, but it could work. And don't say it can't because thats utopia and its impossible. - not impossible, humankind didn't used to even domesticate animals, who says they can't form a utopian society someday
Yeah, here is my response.Quote:
"How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."
Ronald Reagan
40th president of US (1911 - 2004)
"We want the oportunity to make money the way we want. We want to have the chance to be rich. Its the thrill of life compared to a life when you know what will happen to you."
Quote:Ok, what the hell does that have to do with the topic?Quote:
Canada is considered quite socialist by American standards yet we have much higher broadband usage than the USA (dial up is almost extinct here, i don't know a single person here who uses it).
Ok this was your first asinine statement.Quote:
Fox news is a no different than pravda was during the soviet era it is just controlled by a right wing corporate leader instead of the goverment.
Ok, are you comparing US prisons to gulags in communist states?Quote:
The USA also has the highest incarceration rate in the world should that not be reserved for the evil communists?
Ok, take N Korean gulags for example. Who is keeping head counts the Red Cross? Some of the only proof of most of them are satellite photos, defectors, spies and the people who have managed to escape these slum gulags. How can you have an accurate head count of the yearly incarceration total if most of them are eating each other and dying? I can assure you that our execution rate is way lower than that of N Korea, just a wild guess though. ;)
I do notice however that a hatred for America, a worship of communism, and a lack of understanding regarding the US education system, seem to be a package deal. Go Canada! ;)Quote:
Your "Communism are idiots/mental midgets!" shows your complete lack of understanding of political systems and the world at large (typical product of the "USAcentric" american education system)
What the heck does broadband statistics mean anyway? A population massed in urban versus rural geography will have a higher use of broadband. So what? If a large degree of population lives outside broadband coverage areas then the result could show low broad band usage. How that related to communism is beyond me. What would the results be if you compare China with Japan? Who knows, but it would be interesting. It's curious because some time ago Negative used his own country of origin and its broadband prices/availability as a comparison and argument over U.S. capitalism. Know what I say: viva la Cuba!
They may have tones of broadband and no where to go. In the United States 50 million people connect via broadband and 69 million via dial up. Why is that? Dial up sucks?
Canada does lead the us in percentage of household by almost double and their deployment is about 20 - 30 percent higher -at least in 2003 . There are some killer statistics from Canada on statcan.ca btw. I read some interesting marketing scenarios but they were all old. Now in August 2004 Canada is nearing broadband saturation at around 70 percent. While the U.S. has grown 33 percent the past year Canada has only grown 3 percent . So what does that say? You can make statistics read anything you want and Canada made a great effort in delivering broadband over the United States. But it’s a market driven factor, demand has to be high so was the US lacking in demand? Or was it simply the volume in turning up broad band circuits. I think Canadian companies were willing to put up more capitol versus struggling US companies. There hasn’t been a lot of major market movement in Telco over the past few years.
Canada beat us to saturation and Korea beat them. I know for a fact the demise of MCI (sorry WorldComm) had a tremendous effect on DSL rollout in their service areas. Not just to home users but to ISP DSLAMs. In addition I know for fact that Qwest return on initial DSL investment is beyond horrible. Not to mention the in surge of wireless communication via cell phone. In fact their infrastructure was on verge of collapse when first generation DSL components tended to have a much higher support rate than anticipated. ROI, 10 years and a new generation was out that drove demand. Almost a complete loss.
We'll catch up to Canada. :) Our growth rate is what theirs was 3 years ago. Guess we are seeing more tech spending after the event that must not be named. DSL and Cable penatration has been steadily increasing since then.
oh, can i have some? :withstupiQuote:
Sure,as soon as something domesticates humans...
Back to business: I allways prefer to have an imperfect capitalism than a perfect comunism.
Central "planning"? WTF? if everybody is "equal" (class less) who will plan? robots?
Its allways the same talk.
"everybody will be happy"
"no more poor people"
"everybody will have same value: teachers, guy that get your trash, astronauts"
"we will distributer resources on a more fair schedule"
Result:
Guys climb up there, take the power and f.... everybody down here.
Comunism is a good idea, but not for humans... pigs maybe (no, that was Animal Farm)
Hmm you make me think beyond Animal farm. Perhaps a heard of animals is a perfect example of communism. Let's take lions or a pack of wild dogs. They live in communes (packs). Everybody gets to eat and they take care of one another. There is the alpha male that "directs" who gets to eat and when and who hunts versus protecting the cubs. He uses his keen senses to figure out who is the best at each desired job. They all live in peace and harmony that is until the new male lion has had enough and he seizes power away from the current "director" – viva le pack . Hmm come to think of it the pack takes on some very republican issues, so it's not a perfect commune. For instance if a pack member doesn't contribute he will probably be left homeless to fend for himself until a more liberal pack comes along and takes him in and feeds him. In addition only the male will gain the position of “director” if not the species will no longer be able to procreate strong individuals and the pack will die, probably falling victim to another pack who will steal all the females. :D