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How many Iraqi, Afgan, Somali, Vietnamese children have been killed by U.S. forces?

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The only thing the USA needs to do is stay out of it.


It's a pitty this is not the policy of your leaders present and past.

The actions of these muslims, are what will become the norm
world wide, and no power is strong enough to stop it.

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we (collectivly) stopped the nazis, we stopped the communists and we'll stop the islamic fundamentalists, it would just be allot easier if everyone would wake up and see this threat for what it is before its way out of hand.

with five terrorist attacks in russia in the past two weeks and given the fact that over one third of the attackers in the school were arabs kinda of sets putins hands free. he really couldn't act before because he declared the conflict in Chechnia over, now he can start a war against terror. it would be nice if he'd show a little more support for ours.


BTW: cybrid began a discussion on this here:

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=261573

even though its all tied together it really does neen it's own thread now.

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Slobodan Milosevic will be remembered as a prophet and defender
of western civilization

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Oh...not a war criminal who killed thousands of innocents? Just like Hitler wanted to get rid of the Jews, Milosevic tried to get rid of the muslims, and Ethnic Albanians in Kosovo....ever heard of ethnic cleansing? I'm sure you have.

That statement is not only wrong, but very offensive to those who have suffered and have lost loved ones under Milosevic. I'm personally offended by that.

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It's time to decide which side you are on. There's no room in
the middle between good and evil.

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SO according to you Christianism is good, and Islam is evil? Lets start the Crusades again....

Its exactly what the terrorists want, to get all the muslims on their side. They do it but trying to get the Christians againts the muslim, forcing the muslims to defend themselves.
As far as you're concerned, the terrorists have already won. Smart thinking buddy...good job.


Tedob, I kinda hijacked the other thread. Its better if we continue this here.

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You mean that the U.S. will go into another foreign country and kill more innocent
children in the name of "liberty"

This is an outrage and a massive tragedy, but is only a small fraction of the murder
of innocent children,woman and men, America has commited with its so-called and
unbelievably condoned "liberation" of numerous countries.

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This is exactly whats wrong with America today. People who would much rather react to an attack rather than prevent the attack in the first place. This is why tragedies like 9/11 will countinue to happen in the US, and one day the rubbles of the buildings will not be covered by dust, but a mushroom cloud. :hippy: YAY FOR LIBERALS :hippy:


Maybe we should just let the UN take care of it for us:umph:

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In desperation, the emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.

That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The Crusades were that defense.

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http://www.crisismagazine.com/april2002/cover.htm

Who has taught you to hate your own civilization and culture?
Islam is evil. It is the mainspring of terrorism and if there
is to be any progress against terrorism, we must attack its
philosophical basis, the Islamic religion. Anyone who believes
differently is either a fool, or a traitor.
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Who has taught you to hate your own civilization and culture?
Islam is evil. It is the mainspring of terrorism and if there
is to be any progress against terrorism, we must attack its
philosophical basis, the Islamic religion. Anyone who believes
differently is either a fool, or a traitor.

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Oh God i'm really not in the mood to start digging out how Christianity is "Evil".

1. Islam is a peace loving religion.
2. The terrorist are not following the teachings of Islam, they are following a radical version of it.
3. Killing off half of the world will not make you look any better than the Terrorists!
4. You see the similiarities here? For them, we're the ones trying to conquer them. To us, they're trying to conquer us....how about we start using some common sense here rcgreen.
5. I do not hate my own civilisation and culture, I do not hate ANY civilisation and culture. I respect every single one the same, and I dare to understand, respect, and appreciate each culture for what it is and its diversity.
6. Its not the mainspring of terrorism....again, those who say they're killing in the name of Allah, and Islam, they are not following the directions of the Quran. I have read the Quran, and it doesn't say kill everyone who is not muslim, instead it says defend your religion with your own life, and kill those who try to take your religion away from you. Its not too different from the Bible when it comes to the Idiologies(SP?)....it even spends a whole chapter talking about Mother Mary and her son Jesus.
7. I believe differently, I'm not a fool nor a traitor...I'm using common sense...try it...its refreshing.

Both religions have done enough to each other in the name of God. One would hope that today's societies (the supposebly more intelligent/ evolved ones), would be able to take care of differences in a more peaceful manner. Enough blood has been shed over the centuries...

Most muslims do not condone the practices of these terrorists, and they are peaceful. One cannot judge them without getting to know them personally, and do some research on their culture. Killing them off does not make us any better than them...instead it makes us look like bloodthirsty animals.


The Taliban and the rest of the Radical extremists do not represent the opinion/beliefs of the majority of Muslims. Afghanistan and Iraq are not the only muslim countries there ;).

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The Crusades were a series of military campaigns during the time of Medieval England against the Muslims of the Middle East. In 1076, the Muslims had captured Jerusalem - the most holy of holy places for Christians. Jesus had been born in nearby Bethlehem and Jesus had spent most of his life in Jerusalem. He was crucified on Calvary Hill, also in Jerusalem. There was no more important place on Earth than Jerusalem for a true Christian which is why Christians called Jerusalem the "City of God".

However, Jerusalem was also extremely important for the Muslims as Muhammad, the founder of the Muslim faith, had died there and there was great joy in the Muslim world when Jerusalem was captured. A beautiful dome - called the Dome of the Rock - was built on the rock where Muhammad was said to have died and it was so holy that no Muslim was allowed to tread on the rock or touch it when visiting the Dome.

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Sooooooo....who is right? How about we chill and try to find a balance where both can agree?

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When John Wilkes Booth assassinated Lincoln, he was hunted down like a dog
and done away with

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He was treated by a Doctor Mudd, in his escape; which is where the saying:
"Your names going to be Mud round here" comes from.

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Islam is evil

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Islam is a religion: albeit one that holds life cheap. [I know, I know; I've left myself open to all sorts of responses with THAT one. But you have seen the way they treated their OWN kind in Afghanistan / Iraq / Iran / Anywhere with a surplus of sand and sun.]

The terrorists are not following the Islamic faith, they have bastardized it to their own despicable ends.

The Koran does not advocate suicide, nor does it advocate killing to spread the word.

however: during the Iraq / Iran war, the Iranians issued children with plastic keys, and told them that it would unlock the gates of Paradise .......................

Then they sent them off to clear Iraqi minefields by running through them ....................

The 'average' Islamic follower is poorly educated, and is not enouraged to question his Imam. They learn the Koran in its entireity, but it is learnt 'parrot fashion' it doesn't matter that the follower cannot read into it the 'meaning'. That is the Imams job. They are therefore susceptible to 'brainwashing' by the clergy saying things like "The good book says 'thou shalt not kill' ..... Oh, hang on; yes it does: Here ............

Reading the above, it is easy to superimpose the Catholic faith into the scenario, as they definately did NOT encourage followers to even READ the Bible, and even hold their masses in Latin, so as to further remove the words from the 'average' follower.

Whatever the reasons behing the Crusades of old, they left a strong rallying point in the religion, and that is why when G Dubya said the 'C' word, he was quickly corrected.

I, however, do have a strong suspicion that the 'C' word will be used to rally the worlds Muslims to the 'cause'.

If that should turn out to be the case, then I fear that only the TOTAL oblivion of their entire culture. OR OURS. Would be suffice to 'win' this war.

For all of you who are now muttering that "they are only 'ragheads', what do they know about fighting" ....... Imagine yourself in their shoes, with the rest of the world against you, and an implacable enemy IN YOUR LAND.............. Would YOU lie down quietly ????????

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and actually killed millions while expanding their empire in THIS century.

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Which century? ;)

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It's time to decide which side you are on.

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Yes this is what the U.S. Government should do in relation to their
under the table handshakes and dirty corrupted deals with the real
terrorist countries and corrupted poloticions they are friends with in
the Middle East.

When such time Bush, Cheney, and the other frauds, stop lining their
pockets with the blood stained and putrid oil dollars, and stop sacrificing
their own countries security and credibility for barrels of the Saudi black
stuff, things might change.

But as long as the Saudi's are seen as the corner store for the crude, and
as business partners, nothing will change.

How many of the 9/11 terrorists came from Iraq? How many came from Saudi?

Seems you invaded and as you call it, with another 40 dead today, "liberated"
the wrong country.

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it would just be allot easier if everyone would wake up and see this threat for what it is before its way out of hand.

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When the American people wake up and smell the roses you mean.

Too late, it's already way out of control and complicated daily by your own governments
foreign and selfish policy.

Get out of Iraq, cos you aint never gonna fix what you have broken, and invade the real
harbourer's of terror, your business partners in Saudia Arabia.....

didn't take you too long to make up your mind which side your on. spouting the party line of our enemy. this half baked anti-american retoric that everyone knows is bull **** except the endoctrinated. what happened to imperilaists going in to take iraq's oil? that didn't hold much water so now you'll try something else.

let me see...turn on the saudies so the bin dover boys can set up camp there. now thats what i'd really like to have happen (not).

i smell their roses and the bull **** their growing them in

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no longer an up-rising...

12:25 p.m. September 4, 2004

BESLAN, Russia – A shaken President Vladimir Putin made a rare and candid admission of Russian weakness Saturday in the face of an "all-out war" by terrorists after more than 340 people – nearly half of them children – were killed in a hostage-taking at a southern school.

Putin went on national television to tell Russians that they must mobilize against terrorism and promised wide-ranging reforms to toughen security forces and purge corruption

"We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten,"

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/w...olseizure.html

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"We showed weakness, and weak people are beaten,"

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Hallelujah ......... A leader who has finally woken up and smelled the roses / coffee or whatever else you smell ..........

"Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition".

I fear that this is not the beginning of the end, nor even the end of the beginning.
But it is start of the time that the blinkers came off, when people around the world accepted that what is happening is WAR in all but name.

And may your God go with you all.