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Tiger - ah, but that same 1950's trained secretary who learned to do her work so efficiently on notecards and hard files, wouldn't have made that mistake had she not tried to work on the computer. Yes, it's still the end-user morons or careless programmers who are directly responsible for the mistakes, but if you take the computer out of the question...
This is an interesting point. As an example, I sometimes give my students the ALE/SLE formulas to do. I give them a little scenario with whole numbers (that is, there will be no remainders). They all ask if they can use calculators. I say no because they should be able to do simple multiplication and long division, IMO. I was quite floored as to how difficult this was for some. Now if people cannot do some of the simple things and depend on technology so much, then that might lead me to wonder how much they depend on technology for the answer to security and forget that important weakness: humans.Quote:
..but that same 1950's trained secretary who learned to do her work so efficiently on notecards and hard files, wouldn't have made that mistake had she not tried to work on the computer.
Sometimes point'n'click ain't the answer to everything. Specialization is important but I do believe there is value (and this is a value that should be encouraged) in knowing the core or basic concepts thoroughly as well as encouraging curiousity (which isn't done --- I actually now have to give a lecture as my first one for my intro class, suggesting to students that they will get more out of the class if they are curious. Curiously enough, seems to be working).
Maybe the education and entermainment industries are killing it off?
I have been approached by my childs teacher this year and asked to stop giving him alternate ways of looking at problems, and encouraging him to read books about things they do in class if he wants to learn more about it. Apparently, my encouragement "causes him to ask complicated questions in class that confuse other students and waste class time."Quote:
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encouraging curiousity (which isn't done --- I actually now have to give a lecture as my first one for my intro class, suggesting to students that they will get more out of the class if they are curious. Curiously enough, seems to be working).
Maybe the education and entermainment industries are killing it off?
The education system in America needs to be completely overhauled if this is the best we can do with the current one.
ROFLMAO...... The education system at it's finest. Might I suggest, if at all possible, a real school....Quote:
causes him to ask complicated questions in class that confuse other students and waste class time
Blackice:
Do you have _any_ idea how many of thos cute little notecards fell down the back of the desk, got picked up with other papers and filed forever? Do you know how many hard files are screwed up when they are audited or simply lost forever because they got in the wrong pile and went to the great file cabinet in the sky?Quote:
but that same 1950's trained secretary who learned to do her work so efficiently on notecards and hard files, wouldn't have made that mistake had she not tried to work on the computer.
Firstly, your secretary was never particularly efficient. She may have been pretty efficient within the confines of her environment but a properly trained secretary today can do three times as much work in the same amount of time. Why? Because of her computer. So who is more efficient your secretary or mine?
Remember, the computer is incapable of making a mistake. It carries out instructions given to it by humans on data given to it by humans. It doesn't suddently decide that it will subract two numbers when it is asked to add them.... but it does subtract the two numbers the human told it to regardless of the fact that the human should have told it to add them.