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And if they do the same for him I would be just as appalled. Of course the people being dragged into the steet in your example never planned and ordered people to strap explosives on themselves and ignite them in a cafeteria at lunch time. But I get your point.
I remember Arafat in the 70's. Orchestrating the hi-jacking of airliners.
His PLO were behind a lot that was bad back then.
He didn't deserve to live this long. Only cause for concern is his replacement ?
He didn't / hasn't named one.
No one back in the strip can call upon support as Arafat.
When he goes, the fallout will be bloody.
Sometimes an entire people cannot or will not change.
I hear he went to France for treatment/hospitalization.
Good point Neg. However I seem to remember the Liberal press here in America being estatic that 1000 U.S. soldiers had finally died while in Iraq. Of course they were happy, because this could be used as a weapon against President Bush. So which type of celebration will make me more of an "animal and beast"?Quote:
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I'm not asking respect for the man's deeds, Road. Sharon (and 99% of the world population...) is in the same "better dead than alive" category for me, but you won't see me jump on his grave when he dies.
When Iraqi insurgents did the same to American casualties (remember the "trophy"-drive through town), what I heard from this community was "they're animals, beasts. Humans don't do that". You guys just placed yourself in the same category as far as I'm concerned.
1. Draging a dead, and potentially decapitated, body through the streets.
2. Jumping, spitting, or urinating on the grave of a dead terrorist leader.
3. Using your own deceased countrymen as pawns to ferment political unrest.
:D
"When Iraqi insurgents did the same to American casualties (remember the "trophy"-drive through town), what I heard from this community was "they're animals, beasts. Humans don't do that". You guys just placed yourself in the same category as far as I'm concerned."
folks here are just talking so i must assume that you feel the same about everyone who cheered the destruction of the twin towers. ("they're animals, beasts.")
personally i feel hes of a time when his beliefs were valid but that time has passed. when he dies it will just add credability to those that really lead the palistinian "resistance/terrorists".
not to worry guys, our french breathern will cure him of this "virus" (which according to some reports is also known as "the plague") but just like the french.... he too is irrrelevent.
As usual, Tedob, I have no idea what you're talking about... were you trying to quote me?
If I understand you correctly: yes, people cheering the destruction of the twin towers fall in the same category. What's the difference between people cheering someone's death out on the streets and people cheering someone's death on AntiOnline?
And the French helped you ( if not "won it for you") win the Civil War... it's pathetic to "write off" a country as irrelevant just because they don't agree with you.
I think I'm going to do the same from now on. I'll start with Albania as the number one country that is totally irrelevant. Next will be all the other Eastern European countries (because let's face it: they really are irrelevant and the world would be better off without them); then come the Muslim countries (they ALL are nuts! Irrelevant!). Then come countries in South America (they're immigrants! Illegal, even). Then let's get rid of Western Europe! Oh wait, we can't... We can only rename their foods and stuff... that should scare them AND make us so popular and macho and stuff. Next: the Chinese. Wait, no... there's too many of them... Indians? Nah... they give us programmers and stuff...
I never understood why it's ok for Israel to steal land that is not theirs. Guess it's because they're irrelevant, but happen to be backed by a super-power? And when people stand up against an attacker, they're called terrorists? That'd make Bush (and Kerry, too) a terrorist. I just don't get it...
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As usual, Tedob, I have no idea what you're talking about... were you trying to quote me?
well it didn't seem like it took you too long to figure it out. but t/y. really. you're the first person that has told me im hard to understand. i thought i might be. i will try harder to use the "official" quote button and be more clear in what i say.
if i remember correctly you defended their right to have these feelings (those who cheered) not the righteousness of their cheering but their reasons for feeling that way. so have a heart...both ways.Quote:
If I understand you correctly: yes, people cheering the destruction of the twin towers fall in the same category. What's the difference between people cheering someone's death out on the streets and people cheering someone's death on AntiOnline?
now this is as pathetic as those that tell europeans that they should thank the US for saving them from hitler. (i've never even thought that. we were saving our own ass) but i think your referring to the "revolutionary war" but what's a hundred years or so between friends. (and dont forget the polish)Quote:
And the French helped you ( if not "won it for you") win the Civil War... it's pathetic to "write off" a country as irrelevant just because they don't agree with you.
i am saying france is irrelevant because they can not and should not be taken into consideration when it comes to the security of the united states. (oil for food or just plain siding with our enemy.) they are against everything we say or do.
irrelevant = who cares?
i dont! i don’t care what they think, what they are in favor of or what they are against. to me they are one step away from being an enemy. sorry! this is cosmos and i said it!
LoL! i thought you had more intelligence than this (j/k)Quote:
I think I'm going to do the same from now on. I'll start with Albania as the number one country that is totally irrelevant. Next will be all the other Eastern European countries (because let's face it: they really are irrelevant and the world would be better off without them); then come the Muslim countries (they ALL are nuts! Irrelevant!). Then come countries in South America (they're immigrants! Illegal, even). Then let's get rid of Western Europe! Oh wait, we can't... We can only rename their foods and stuff... that should scare them AND make us so popular and macho and stuff. Next: the Chinese. Wait, no... there's too many of them... Indians? Nah... they give us programmers and stuff...
there was a time that i would have agreed with you about israel. but not any more. does isreal have a right to exist? they didn't have the consent of the UN to form an independent state. do they have the right to keep the lands they've taken from attackers? your definition of stealing is in question if this is what you mean.Quote:
I never understood why it's ok for Israel to steal land that is not theirs. Guess it's because they're irrelevant, but happen to be backed by a super-power? And when people stand up against an attacker, they're called terrorists? That'd make Bush (and Kerry, too) a terrorist. I just don't get it...
it's really a moot point any more weather isreal should exist or not. what's happened there happened before you, most Palestinians or Israelis were born. israel is! nothing is going to change that fact but a world war and that would only validate israel's right to exist. any argument on this is fifty years too late. but your right, "who's the terrorist?" depends on who's side your on and can only be answered by someone living outside of the world we live in. in the world i live in i say who the terrorists are and who the defenders of freedom are.
That is the general feeling of Europe and euro-centric (liberal) Americans and I don't get it because Europe sucked them into a hole and tried to eradicate their race. So after the fallout they were given land and have fought for it ever since. The old powers of Europe align financial agreements with those who oppose Isreal today. The United States chose Isreals side. Either way the Palestine situation is a result of their own violent need for power. I don't understand the backlash Isreal gets. Man we see their people killed all the time because they chose to keep a buffer zone between them and their attackers, yes they were the attacked, the victims of war waged on THEM not the other way around. Even in the occupied territories there has always been both Isreali and Palestine people there. They didn't close access. Perhaps they are only guilty of being allies to the US and that is good enough.Quote:
I never understood why it's ok for Israel to steal land that is not theirs.
There are Americans that want what is best for America, and there are Americans that want what is best for Europe. There are also Americans that still know people who fought in WW2 advancing through France. It's still fresh in their memories and the stories they tell the children and grandchildren about their unit advancing from Farm house to farm house filled with Germans and Frence collaborators in the south. Losing 60 men a day as they moved on.
That really has little to do with the relationship of politics between France and the United States TODAY. When is the last time the French supported any decision we made? They are interested in their own futures and the powerplays that need to be made with the potential of the European Union. So in a sense that French support is necessary to our decision making process? I agree with those who say, no we don't need it. We already know what it will be in advance. They have their own motivation in their agreements with Islamic countries we oppose. So why whould we care in that sense? Much like you care about anything Turkey has to say on Euro matters. We (and I know I don't speak for anyone other than me) want what is a good decision for America not Europe and on a world scale what is best for all parties outside of ultimatums. Bottom line, some actions, though unpopular for purely political reasons, are what is best for the World and the United Nations KNOWS that. They even pass resolutions on verying subjects constantly.
The French are a lot like us actually. ;)
looks like he quit shaking and is on his way back in now ;)
... and the world rejoices. Arafat is back.