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Oh they aren't my theories. They are those of people who build the probes and ships and send them to Jupiter and the outer friges of the solar system. I just try and pick the one's that make sense. Christian science of the later few decades attempts to dispell what scien**** consdier the age of the universe. I was in a discussion here on several of those items. Their thinking is this, if ANY item of scientific theory can be disproved THEN that single items proves without a doubt the universe is only a few thousand years old. That idea in my opionon is bogus.
So I found myself defending the idea that comets regenerate. The very simple line of thinking is this. Commets cannot be 100s of thousands of years old because, every time they come into the plane of the ecliptic and move around the sun, parts of them are burned off. So it makes sense that after a while they will die. I made a good arguement of why comets still exist based on some limited college coursework and personal reading. But I have since learned many many more about the formation of our solar system, Other - yest other Solar sytems, the mass of comets, their dissipation rates, where they come from, what is beyond pluto, how other stars influence comet trajectories and the like. Sure they are theories but damn good ones. I wouldn't want to disprove creation but the thinking that there should be no comets around now is not accurate. :)
If you search Creation here there are a few discussions along with the speed of light and various items of interest.
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"There is no such thing as creation. And I'm a moderator, and I'm always right."
Sorry... just dreaming out loud :D
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Hi, RoadClosed,
Unfortunately, science is not my field of study...and creationism is too open to interpretation, there are arguments for both sides of the issue. I try to avoid argueing the no-win situation.
But I would assume, and it would be just an assumption on my part, that if I understand comets correctly they dissipate the closer they get to the sun which causes the tail we see...but as they move away from the sun the tail diminishes...and at the outreaches they re-bulk themselves with ice as it gets colder and this is why they continue their orbit.
Scientists theorize that there are comets like our Haley's comet that have a small orbit ( approx. every 75 years ) and others that have orbits so large that the last time they passed was during the age of dinosaurs ( and some have even speculated that it was one such comet that was the cause of their demise ), orbits that pass every millions of years.
This however does not disprove creationism...I thoughly agree with you about the theological interpretation of creationism...but then...it is just an interpretation based upon the bias and prejudice of the religion or sect that supports that version. One could even say that the " Big Bang ' theory is a creationist theory.
Think in terms of structure...everything that exists has structure..." building blocks "...if you assume that this holds true for everything and you see the universe as being a Whole rather than a collection of individual non-connected parts...then...the universe also has " building blocks " and creates as building blocks do...just a thought.
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The universe is a whole. Gravity does not diminish. It is one of the Forces of nature we do not understand. We can learn from it, predict it, model it and understand it but we do not know "what" it is. Gravity effects all things, the entire universe is connected. All the stars, galaxies and undiscovered tings are all tied togeth in a great cosmological waltz.
Negative is borg, the borg absorb all things. The collective controls cosmos.
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I agree whole-heartedly...that the universe is a whole...and we are not individually separated wholes unto ourselves...hence, natural law...the law that says whatever applies to the individual part equally applies to the whole...( eg. cause and effect ).
Sooooo...if you apply this rule to one of it's many logical conclusions...it can be said that the universe, much like ourselves ( being constucted by the same laws ), is constructed and arranged according to it's DNA..." building blocks ".
Which has been known through philosophy long before it ever became science.
Did you know that Anaxagoras...who was one of Socrates teachers...well over a thousand years before, and closer to 2000 years before, the europian scientists...suggested the moon derived it's light from the sun, that the sun was a ball of gas, that the earth revolved around the sun, and the moon around the earth, and the world was round like the moon and sun, among other things. And that his works along with many others were held by the church and were not allowed to be veiwed by the public.
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The universe is a whole. Gravity does not diminish. It is one of the Forces of nature we do not understand. We can learn from it, predict it, model it and understand it but we do not know "what" it is. Gravity effects all things, the entire universe is connected. All the stars, galaxies and undiscovered tings are all tied togeth in a great cosmological waltz.
Negative is borg, the borg absorb all things. The collective controls cosmos.
Perhaps Gravity in Unison with Kinetics in the endless ocean of vaccum would support your conveyed visualization of your idea. The Vaccum of Space is an ocean of energy and allows the science of kinetics. Historical motion, if you will...
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Ancient man determined the earth was round as well. From something as simple as shadows and logic. Discoveries bult upon one another over thousands of years until we invented the abilities to measure the universe outside of human perception. In that I mean our senses.
By gravity not dimenishing, I mean to say that the gravitational force of the earth and the sun do not go to zero, they dimisinish to inconsequence but the field (if you will) can never fall away completely. Space is not made of nothing. It is filled with gas and microsopic dust. What give the feeling of nothing is the vast distances between objects of significance. So in a sense we are all "glued" together.
Galalieo was one of the last of they early astonomer scientists using mathmatics and pencil to achieve theories and discoveries. He was locked under house arrest for proving with little doubt "anymore", that the earth was not the center of the universe. He did this by noting that moons orbited Jupiter just like a moon obits the earth and that other planets had phases like the moon as it orbited the earth. He had an advantage.... a telesope.
DNA, or the complex moelecules that form things like Amino Acids, are found in meteorites that have hit our planet. To some advance theorists, life, or the foundation of life did not emerge on this planet, but out among the dust clouds.
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DNA, or the complex moelecules that form things like Amino Acids, are found in meteorites that have hit our planet. To some advance theorists, life, or the foundation of life did not emerge on this planet, but out among the dust clouds.
Does this statement have any validity at all? DNA found in meteorites? Maybe from collision of molecules that contain DNA within out atmosphere and our soil.
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RoadClosed...
I'm not quite sure what you mean by " ancient man "...but yes...the world was perceived to be round until the church said it was flat...and it was perceived to be a part in the whole with no specific location until the church said it was the centre.
Gravity I can't comment on because I really don't know...so I will go with the impression you are right. It's just not in my field of studies.
As for space itself science has been playing catch-up...they recently discovered ( in the last twenty years ) that space is full of atoms ( not as dense as with the earth but nevertheless there ).
Galileo invented the telescope but his theories/facts were derived from others...he worked for the church and therefore had access to the books that were not available to others...and when he sought to prove what he read he was punished by the church.
As science continues it will of necessity prove the theories of true philosophy...that all things are merely differentiations of the same thing, that everything from a rock to man to a planet to the universe is the same...merely constructed ( molded ) in different ways. :)
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fraggin...not that RoadClosed needs my help on this...but I think RoadClosed was merely trying to associate a common link...
the foundation of all true philosophy is that everything...literally everything...is the same thing. That there is no difference between a rock and a person...everything is created from the same thing...and DNA is only the beginning to understand that there is a relationship between things.
I am sure over time ( eventually ) we will discover something else...to even prove this further...and eventually will prove that philosophy was right all along. :)
It is only the use of our senses that make us think we are special or unique...but in reality we're not.
Think of it in terms of a rock being like a man with no senses because they are compressed and useless...philosophically speaking, if you knew how...you could make a man from a rock, or a sun, or a computer...because they are made from the same thing :)
And as a consequence of this...once science and religion catches up...this would also prove another philosophical truism...that everything is alive...literally everything. :)
