Want a job ... hack Microsoft

sb,

I somewhat disagree Microsoft hackers may be experts in security issues or microsoft vulnerabilities. That doesnt necessarily mean that have the same amount of knowledge that a person with a degree may have. The hackers knowledge is specialized. He/she may know other topics, but mainly as to how they relate to hacking.

Hacking is a type of theft and anyone skilled enough to hack Microsoft can be likened to a "Klepto", and therefore could not be trusted with confidential information for any amount of time.

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Hacking is a type of theft and anyone skilled enough to hack Microsoft can be likened to a "Klepto", and therefore could not be trusted with confidential information for any amount of time.

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I said "hire" them and arrest them when they show up at work ^_^.

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As for hiring them, I dunno about that. I think if they know that much, making them jump through the hoops of getting a degree is stupid

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getting a degree is more than showing that you can do something. It shows that you have taken an interest in the topic at a higher level and are willing to work and learn to better your self at it. Having a degree/cert does not necessarily mean you know what you are doing, it just means you read the book and remembered what it said (book knowledge). Real world experience is a huge factor in getting a high end job (real world knowledge)

Having one or the other looks average, having both makes you look good.


You can be the best damn hacker in the world, but chances are you would not make a good network administrator becasue you dont have the realworld corporate knowledge. You dont know the politics, and you dont know the procedures. You may know the network inside and out but you dont know the people, and that is half the work. And believe it or not, a lot of the higher end exams force you to start learning things like that.

Hi

Having a degree means that you have studied the topic in a rounded way. Any decent computer science degree is not just book knowledge but hands on and would include basic circuit design, assembly language programming, 3G programming, object oriented, Visual and AI, database design and analysis, network implementation and design, server administration etc. Very good ones also cover the business aspects such as presentation skills, team work etc.

IOW a degree covers all aspects of the subject at sufficient level that the individual can leave the course and start training for real with

a) basic knowledge of the entire range of career possibilities
b) a head start in whatever area they decide to specialise in
c) a broad background in other areas which allows them to interact meaningfully with their colleagues and
d) a foundation in business skills

A degree therefore should not be mistaken for indepth knowledge (that comes later with training) but for a 360 degrees in the subject area. I think some employers think that the degree can be substituted for training and are disappointed by the results. The difference the degree makes shows up more long term. They have a thinker on board.

That's why some companies take on graduates with non relevant degrees and train them up.

These hackers may know hacking but getting a degree would illustrate a more rounded knowledge of the area. That's what the degree is for.

This is a classic case of stupidity. This is a story that almost everyone knows. Someone hacks a site from a big company and they get a job. Its shows that there are still people who believe in farytales and othber story's to amuse kids with.
Showing off with this "tallent" is good maybe for inpressing his friends but the company's wont be. I never thought that there were people out there that still believed in that.

hahaha, if he had the x-box 360 it wouldn't have happened...

But he is kinda making sense, in fact didn't the guy who wrote the blaster worm get a job with symantec, maybe I am wrong. Maybe that is where he got his inspiration from

I think we discussed this a great length just two weeks ago...

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=269069
AntiOnline - Hiring Hackers As Security Consultants

the fact is : it's impossible to tell whether or not a person has actually reformed...at best, it's a guess...a 50-50 split...

if a person truly is ' reformed ' then you have no problem...if he isn't, then you obviously do.

Personally...I wouldn't take the chance...

I wouldn't hire a rapist as a rape counsellor

I wouldn't hire a gambler as my accountant

I wouldn't hire a thief to guard my property

I wouldn't hire a child molester to be a priest ( hear that Mr. Pope?!!! )

and I wouldn't hire a black hat to provide my business security

just seems like common sense to me.

In the rare cases where a person is truly ' reformed ' ...that is to say they are NO LONGER the person that they were...there would not be a problem...but there's really no way to know that for sure.


Eg ;)