Trace the email like you would a spammer.. I mean look at the Recieved: headers.. Anyone can fake an email address.. But if the email really originates from mailservers at the somecompany it might be legit.
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Trace the email like you would a spammer.. I mean look at the Recieved: headers.. Anyone can fake an email address.. But if the email really originates from mailservers at the somecompany it might be legit.
Computernerd22...this is ridiculous. You can google this, trace that, search this...JUST ASK THEM.
Tell them you need some sort of documentation that this is legitimate and that you are authorized to go show up and perform this work. Ask about 10-99 and W-2, etc.
I don't care if you are talking to 'Bill "****ing" Gates' on the phone/via email about this. Without physical, visible confirmation, you could be getting setup. It's your ass. Cover it.
Explain that this is highly unusual for you, and you need assurances that it is legit. They may think you are a bit naive to the business, but so what...you need the money, right? And if they are NOT legit, their response should throw up all sorts of red flags.
Here are the email headers anyone care to assist? I see it goes to road runner does this look legit or bogus to you? Thank you guys so much much appreciated!
When you say it could be a setup, what do you mean I don't do anything illegal or anything like that.Quote:
Status: U
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Received: from ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.103])
by mx-stork.atl.sa.earthlink.net (EarthLink SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1dVfHR7EP3Nl34c0
for <[email protected]>; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:37:55 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from dunhillwilnc3 (rrcs-24-172-118-150.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.172.118.150])
by ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j6KEbjL4012367
for <[email protected]>; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:37:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "some site" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: install -- some city , FL
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:37:12 -0400
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA+Dl3p7oHCkWdH7ijvuHiEcKAAAAQAAAAvdNx5ZDrmE64sGEPADgWPQEAAAAA@somesite.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C58D16.FD8DC210"
X-Priority: 1 (Highest)
X-MSMail-Priority: High
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506
Importance: High
X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine
X-ELNK-AV: 0
X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0529-0, 07/18/2005), Inbound message
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
I went ahead and email her back like you suggested zen (thanks) now just waiting for reply.
Well, the first thing that strikes me is that you are not an employee you are a self-employed sub-contractor.
It would make you liable for any tax, insurance and social welfare payments and your pension. They are taking the p1$$.......................they are paying you literally by the hour, and only guarantee you 3 hours work per job. With no guarantee of a job the next day. No temporary staff agency or respectable contractor would look at anything less than a week's placement guaranteed payment, even if the job took a lot less.
Also, even the lowest of low contractors over here wouldn't get out of bed for less than $750 per week.
I guess that they are used to employing college students who need extra cash and work their vacations. They would like money orders and paypal as it is not accountable for. Although the tax and other regulations DO APPLY it's just the IRS aren't likely to detect them.
What this lot are after is cheap labour, on demand, with minimal administration costs.
That's my view on it :)
I went ahead and email the lady and here is what she stated:
So does it look legit? This is what I orignally asked her:Quote:
Michael –
You will be working directly for us, ******* Professional Search, as a subcontractor. The name of the business you are going to is changedthisname Enterprises – they are a Fortune 500 company. As a subcontractor you would receive a 1099 from us at the end of the year but only if we pay you in excess of $600 throughout the course of the year.
We pay by Paypal or Money order because, in the past, we had a contractor in Texas who took the routing number and checking account number off of our company check and used that information to open a bank account, set up a monthly debit for a cell phone, and then he actually tried to create a check to himself with our banking information which is when we were notified of suspicious activity on our account. I spent nearly two weeks trying to get everything straightened out with the bank because just about everything that he did was done electronically so they had a hard time tracking him down and the bank that caught the falsified check would not reveal to me where that occurred. So, unfortunately, we had to come up with other payment methods.
I hope I wasnt to forward or rude with my questions but like you guys stated it's your ass and I agree to all thank you for the replies greatly appreciated.Quote:
I am very interested in the job for tomorrow but the conditions surrounding this assignment seem a little indifferent to me.
I have a few questions about the job for tomorrow.
what is the name of company I am working for directly? Also, what is the name of the business I'm going too tomorrow?
Also, What about 10-99 and W-2?
Why is the pay method through paypal and money orders instead of a check directly through the company?
Thank you,
It sounds good to me...
But most social engineering routines do sound good, or they wouldn't work. ;)
I'd agree to go forward, and ask for a written contract. FedEx carries contracts between companies ALL THE TIME...they shouldn't balk too much at this. My only concern is them trying to jack with your account through paypal. I don't know if it is possible, but it's kinda like the direct deposit thing with employers...you quit, 3 months later they realize they overpaid you and BOOM, they go remove the funds without necessarily notifying you. Again... Caveat Emptor
But it might be just the cash-infusion you need. I suggest you proceed with caution.
(Side note: it is interesting that she provided so much detail in her response as to 'why paypal'. it must be a fairly small company...especially if you are dealing with the president directly.)
I would say that the stuff about opening another bank account using an existing corporate account number and sortcode is utter bullcrap. The bank would be totally liable, for not confirming the identity and authorisation of the person setting up the account.
That is when you call in the law enforcement agencies. Anyway, isn't electronic banking supposed to be secure and traceable.Quote:
and then he actually tried to create a check to himself with our banking information which is when we were notified of suspicious activity on our account. I spent nearly two weeks trying to get everything straightened out with the bank because just about everything that he did was done electronically so they had a hard time tracking him down and the bank that caught the falsified check would not reveal to me where that occurred
And do you really believe that anyone with enough intelligence to work in IT would be such a dork?
Hell he might just as well have walked into the bank with a .45 automatic?
Somehow he KNEW they wouldn't go to the law .................maybe they ripped him off and that was his way of getting back. But the whole story stinks to high heaven.
Just watch yourself, they are not to be trusted ;)
I think you are one very smart cookie. Excellent point -----> The bank would be totally liable, for not confirming the identity and authorisation of the person setting up the account.Quote:
I would say that the stuff about opening another bank account using an existing corporate account number and sortcode is utter bullcrap.
Do you think I should email her back? and inform her of like what you said nihil does sound like crap. So what do you recommend then or what do you think I will do the work they I will not get payed?Quote:
That is when you call in the law enforcement agencies.
Hi,
I would do the job. I cannot see you getting into any trouble over it. I would NOT question them any further.
I believe that they try to get students and unemployed people to work for them on the cheap. Or maybe people who only want part time employment. Quite a lot of these people would not earn more than $600 so they would be below the IRS radar, and paypal and money order payments are hard to trace.
I don't think that there is anything wrong with what you are asked to do. I would ask for payment by money order though...............you can't go back on those ;)
Good luck and I hope that you get something permanent soon. :)
Thank you for the replies nihil I'm gonna repost tomorrow when the job is done. Thanks again for your guys help.