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Know what? Neither do I. And I agree that the individual in question should get at least an honorable mention for the Darwin award.Quote:
but I really don't give a damn.
I am in no way a bleeding heart but I often quote
Thomas Jefferson 1743—1826.
'Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one...'
Ah poor guy. He was just on his way to work. In his country it's customary to wear large padded jackets on hot summer mornings. In his country the police are to be feared, he didn't know he was supposed to stop. He was afraid for his life. He doesn't understand enough english to know that jumping barriers and running among the public while being chased by armed gunmen is not ok. Poor little guy. We should have reached out to him and helped him up while all the policemen were killed as the one handcuff clicked.
//EDIT Policeman or MI? Seems extremely efficient doesn't it?
Wow...that would suck.Quote:
Maybe he didn't have a ticket - that could explain why he ran :D
Imagine what could happen here with all the non-english speaking people we have. I can see it now...somebody could be running through an airport terminal yammering on in Spanish or any number of other languages something to the effect "Help! Crazy men with guns are chasing me!" and "BLAM" down they go. :3pow: Not good.
So... "Plainclothes police" Hmm... :what: It's not unlikely that there are now bunches of undercover cops in subway stations all over London, but it does smack of intelligence. Wearing an exceptionally thick coat in the middle of summer and running toward a train when asked to stop does kinda throw up a few red flags too, so even if it wasn't intelligence people that knew what they were looking for, I don't blame them for taking him down.
Hey Keezel, If this had happened in America the guy would still be alive. If I remember correctly, we had a Supreme Court decision that ruled negatively on shooting a suspected riminal (innocent unitl proven guilty) in the back if they are running from law enforcement personnel. But this also means that the train would have probably been blown up also, if this were happening in America. Oh well, just some random thoughts.
Listening to BBC radio it appears that he was suspected of attempting to bomb The Oval yesterday. Police were following him with the intent of arresting him when he entered the station... at which point the decision to arrest immediately was made... We already know what happened then...
Furthermore there are about three other operations taking place across London right now. Interesting number of operations..... ;)
Hey Dino .....Quote:
'Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one...'
WE are not giving up OUR freedom
we ARE gaining security
And I'm sorry if you dont all understand WHY he was shot ...................
The UK has had terrorists blowing chunks out of it for DECADES, and it is only NOW that we have determined to stop them with all means at our disposal.....
Until you have witnessed with your own eyes the devastation caused by *****s like these, then you will never be able to comprehend the absolute necessity of killing them wherever you find them.
The IRA were taken prisoner, when possible, as they were known not to self destruct.....
The latest new kid on the block has nothing but contempt for all life, and cannot be treated in the same way that we would have treated earlier *****s.
And YES, I remember the Shoot to KILL ??? media frenzy we had here with regards to the Brit forces and the IRA [personally, I'd shoot ANY soldier who MISSED]
And as for Gibraltar ............... Once again it was believed that they were carrying remote detonation devices, and one thing the IRA COULD do was build a bomb.
In their view there are no innocents, we have to approach them with that view in mind, and be prepared to kill those who would, ordinarily be spared.
foxyloxey
I understand why the guy was shot - and agree. As Tiger stated, the cops were already tailing him.
The Jefferson quote is intended in the same way as in the original content. During troubled times their is a need to increase security but do not allow your rights to be revoked.
What if this was the real scenario and the police were protected by an antiterrorist law in which they could not be prosecuted. That is what Thomas Jefferson was referring to.Quote:
"Help! Crazy men with guns are chasing me!" and "BLAM" down they go. Not good.
When people get scared - logic is usually the first to go - dino
EDIT: I was at the la belle disco in Berlin when it went up. I know all about how those *****s work.
I agree with Nihil, in these times in someone is even acting like they are danger to innocent civilians and they dont obey police orders or run or whatever then they get taken out period.
If he weren't som freak why on earth would he run away from armed police guy's. And not to mention ware a big jacket? I mean if you look like that and run someone is bound to suspect that your atleast worth interagation.
People here [eye witnesses] are upset that the Police were holding him down and then shot him 5 times in the head. Low velocity rouds, so that they stay IN the target.
It's about time our Police took a proper stand against this sort of behaiviour........
AND the Council of Muslims [sp] have expressed concerns that a 'shoot to kill' policy 'may' be in force
Operation Kratos
Hurrrrrah !!!!!
we FINALLY grew some balls on a politician [Maggie had the biggest ones to date :)]
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And nihils friends in Mossad WERE involved in helping us to prepare against the threat of suicide bombers, Israeli security agent on the box, telling us WHY you have to shoot them in the head .............
Ans :- they have EXPLOSIVES strapped around their chest :)
AND a single flick of a switch is all it takes to go BOOM .......
Next generation bombers will be holding spring loaded clips, so that WHEN shot it go BOOM
And the reason for the lack of BOOM yesterday
The terrorists are using TATP it is HIGHLY unstable, but made from readily available ingredients ................... and it DEGRADES rapidly
theory is they made a LOT of it, used four fresh ones on 7/7, yesterdays were from the same batch .............................stale bomb no go BOOM
Forensics are going ape over the amount of evidence [think CSI, think DNA] they have gotten.
HOW do we know so much about TATP
Some numb nutz talking head was wheeled into a studio and told the whole world what the terrorists had done wrong............
So we can expect a series of FRESH BOOM BOOM any time soon
I HATE those talking heads, they are 'experts' and as ex = has been and a spurt is a drip under pressure ????????????
WHY do we listen?
I think I need my meds
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