Katrina blame game

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Originally posted here by nihil
Damn shame this is in "cosmos"



A trivial, fat, ugly, sexually inadequate, canadian gobshite................just what AO wants as a "moderator"?

But, I might be predjudiced?

:cool: :eek: :p

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How quickly we become immature... yet you still insist you aren't.. All because I stood up to you for trying to bully a newbie.... How old are you again?? 12..

!mitationRust: He's being sent home by his bosses... Do you go home if your Boss tells you to... Do you work 9 - 5 and spend the rest of the time forgetting about work? He's there to serve you, but it's also still a job.... his life isn't dedicated to you 24/7/365...

I also still don't think I trivialized the Holocaust.. The death of innocent people is the death of innocent people no matter how you look at it. In my eyes, Bush is conducting a mass extermination... with the weapons and technology the US has, there's no need for a single civilian casualty... yet there are plenty of them... so I see it as a mass extermination...

Peace,
HT

How is bush conducting a mass extermination HT ?? It's not like he's trying to wipe out a group of people ??

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with the weapons and technology the US has, there's no need for a single civilian casualty... yet there are plenty of them...

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Weapons do contain software and software does contain bugs therefore there will always be a pretty good chance that something might just go wrong. Not that I am saying that it's ok for innocent people to loose their lives ...

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Originally posted here by Agent_Steal
How is bush conducting a mass extermination HT ?? It's not like he's trying to wipe out a group of people ??



Weapons do contain software and software does contain bugs therefore there will always be a pretty good chance that something might just go wrong. Not that I am saying that it's ok for innocent people to loose their lives ...

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Hey Hey,

It's my belief that he is trying to wipe out a group of people... A lot of people are against the war and say the war isn't needed, yet it still proceeds on... Every day the innocent casualties rise... I think it's a thinly veiled extermination... It's an opinion... but it's mine.. As for software containing bugs.... yes... it does... but that doesn't justify the number of innocent lives lost.

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

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"War may have killed 10,000 civilians, researchers say":

At least 5,000 civilians may have been killed during the invasion of Iraq, an independent research group has claimed. As more evidence is collated, it says, the figure could reach 10,000.

Iraq Body Count (IBC), a volunteer group of British and US academics and researchers, compiled statistics on civilian casualties from media reports and estimated that over 10,000 civilians died in the conflict. More

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Dr Les Roberts, who led the study, said: "Making conservative assumptions we think that about 100,000 excess deaths, or more, have happened since the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

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That last figure was from 2004... 100,000 excess deaths in a year? Well on the way to what I would consider genocide or to put another name on it.. the Holocaust... The Holocaust resulted in 6 million deaths over 7 years.... I would assume most of those came in the middle and near the end, as at the beginning they were only picking up steam... It may trivialize the Holocaust... I can leave it out and simply use the world genocide if people prefer, but it's what I believe is happening.

Peace,
HT

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with the weapons and technology the US has, there's no need for a single civilian casualty... yet there are plenty of them...

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Total guff .........

War is Hell ............
and as for 'extermination' ?????????

you MIGHT be excused for that IF the US forces conducted house to house searches and killed everyone they found ...........

as it is the US and Alliance forces do not retaliate even when they have suffered losses from attacks in that area.

When the UK forces lost that Military Police unit, the locals were in hiding until British Army units patrolled the area announcing that they / we do NOT retaliate against the local populace, only against those that actually took part ..........

AND that they [the attackers] would be found and tried in a court of LAW ........

As you OBVIOUSLY have no concept of what fear really is, I would suggest that you keep your ill informed remarks strictly for your eyes only ........

Pax


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The Holocaust resulted in 6 million deaths over 7 years....

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the figure of 6 million is for the jews ONLY
7 years ........... WWII = late 39 to early 45 = 6 years
extermination camps were only put in place in 1941/2 when Germany had taken Poland
[all the 'extermination' camps were placed there] is 'only' 3 years max ....
Germany IS efficient, they even designed the ovens so that they burnt more effectively when body fats began to add to the fire .........

total dead for the WAR years in the European theatre was approx [as no one really knows] 30 million
Russia lost 20 million, and of those the vast majority were killed by Russia, who also have a history of antipathy to the jew. [pogrom russian word]
No one condemns the Russian leadership for this because they WON

FEMA, like any government institution that gets too bloated, hasn't been prepared for anything for years...that being said...
all in all, they've done their usually inadequate duty...

I know AS this question wasn't directed at me...but I'd like to answer it anyways...

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Question if you were in the same situation as him what would you do ???

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The place where the respective governments failed this time, that I can see, is in mobilization...when the decision to evacuate was made, before the storm hit, there should have been a concerted effort to mobilize all the buses ( school and city ), trains, transport trucks, etc...in the surrounding area, to transport out those lacking adequate transportation...

then...

one lane of traffic out of the city should have been dedicated to this traffic, just like the emergency shoulder of the road...those in cars should have been placed in priority sequence...certain roads out should have been also dedicated specifically for family and car pool traffic...

the failure this time was in a very poor mobilization of the means to implement this evacuation.

Eg ;)

They used to put incompetent people like Brown in the post office. Now, they put them in charge of a Homeland Security department :/

Whomever hired Brown didn't do his or her job, and should be fired. Don't they do background checks at HS?

Hi Neg,

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Posted Thursday, Sep. 08, 2005
When President Bush nominated Michael Brown to head the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) in 2003, Brown's boss at the time, Joe Allbaugh, declared, "the President couldn't have chosen a better man to help...prepare and protect the nation." But how well was he prepared for the job? Since Hurricane Katrina, the FEMA director has come under heavy criticism for his performance and scrutiny of his background. Now, an investigation by TIME has found discrepancies in his online legal profile and official bio, including a description of Brown released by the White House at the time of his nomination in 2001 to the job as deputy chief of FEMA. On Friday, Brown, who became director of FEMA in 2003, was relieved of his duties handling the Katrina response and was replaced in that role by Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad W. Allen.

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http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...103003,00.html
TIME.com: How Reliable Is Brown's Resume? -- Page 1

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NBC News and news services
Updated: 8:00 p.m. ET Sept. 9, 2005

BATON ROUGE, La. - Amid harsh criticism of federal relief efforts, Homeland Security chief Michael Chertoff announced Friday that Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, is handing over Hurricane Katrina relief duties to a Coast Guard official and returning to Washington to oversee the national office.

“Other challenges and threats remain around the world,” and Brown is needed to prepare for those, Chertoff said at a news conference in Baton Rouge.

“Michael Brown has done everything he possibly could to coordinate the federal response to this unprecedented challenge,” Chertoff added. He sidestepped a question on whether the move was the first step toward Brown’s leaving FEMA.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9266986/
FEMA chief relieved of Katrina duties - Hurricane Katrina - MSNBC.com

Eg > Err... I know... that's what I was referring to. Why hasn't he been fired yet? We are paying taxes so that that guy can have a (no doubt) very decent salary. And again: whomever hired him (or told the president to hire him) should be fired.

Good Day,

We’re always quick to point to the bums in Washington DC and granted some of it is much deserved (I’ll leave that trashing to you folks:)). Figures they need to call in the Coast Guard to clean up the mess!

But also when we talk about this Hurricane and the enemas commence, start at the Mayor’s Office and proceed directly to the Governor and stop. He’s at the end of that anal cavity. It was the local and state governmental bodies that failed and continue to fail miserably. Their incompetence or blind eye began many days before the hurricane made land fail and continued into its aftermath. The Federal Government had already declared that area a disaster days before the hurricane hit. What did the Governor do when asked, “How can we help you?” Well for some unknown reason the Mayor and the Governor found them a corner and assumed the fetal position. “Mommie make it go away!” Then after the fact, pointing the finger and blame in every which direction to conceal their failures! When all along they had at their disposal a multitude of state and local resources with the federal stuff on standby. They could have prevented much of the suffering that is taking place.

Their leadership reminds me of half a jock strap during a sporting event.

cheers

Hi Neg,

I didn't know until just before I posted that...so I wasn't sure.

Hi Relyt,

I agree...as I mentioned in my other post...they failed to mobilize and execute a proper stragedy before they took the hit.


Eg ;)