Nsa Spying On Us!!!!!

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Originally posted here by the_JinX
But this kind of thing pales in comparisson to the freedoms the US citisens seem to be willing to offer to their government in return for a temporary feeling of security..
With the new phone tap bills and all..

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Uhm, many people around here get uptight when "we US citizens" stereotype or assume the rest of the world is exactly like we are. I think it is only fair that we get uptight when the same thing is leveled at us.

I am completely UNwilling to simply hand over my freedoms for feelings of temporary security. I think the gov't has wasted a TON of money on the TSA and the bullshit we have to go through to get on a plane nowadays, while not investing enough in actual intelligence and operations to thwarte those who don't like the symbol the US has become.

I am personally dissapointed in the way the US government has handled a lot of things in the last 4 or 5 years. I love my country...but I'm not a fan of my countries government. And before anyone starts bitching that I should do something about it...I have; I vote, I support people and groups I believe in, I write to my representatives.

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Originally posted here by the_JinX
But this kind of thing pales in comparisson to the freedoms the US citisens seem to be willing to offer to their government in return for a temporary feeling of security..
With the new phone tap bills and all..

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Uhm, many people around here get uptight when "we US citizens" stereotype or assume the rest of the world is exactly like we are. I think it is only fair that we get uptight when the same thing is leveled at us.

I am completely UNwilling to simply hand over my freedoms for feelings of temporary security. I think the gov't has wasted a TON of money on the TSA and the bullshit we have to go through to get on a plane nowadays, while not investing enough in actual intelligence and operations to thwarte those who don't like the symbol the US has become.

I am personally dissapointed in the way the US government has handled a lot of things in the last 4 or 5 years. I love my country...but I'm not a fan of my countries government. And before anyone starts bitching that I should do something about it...I have; I vote, I support people and groups I believe in, I write to my representatives.

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Originally posted here by genXer
Also many of us applied and either received or will receive a kit from the NSA - so that just authorizes them to spy on us all they want - right?!?

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I didn't see anything overt, covert or implied that authorized the NSA to take any type of action in relation to intelligence gathering in exchange for that package. I think this is a long stretch to make a link, even for a consipiracy theorist.

Keep in mind that the NSA group that performed the surveillance was under law enforcement orders with secret presidential approval.

Granted, they have the capability to do a great many things. But, getting information on me would be trivial for them. I have no reason to hide anything and the government has very large package of information on me from near 15 years of military service. I've had numerous FBI background checks, largely because I was responsible for various armory vaults and millions of dollars of armored hardware and explosives.

I have a driver's license, a social security number, multiple marriages and a couple divorces. That is all public record to some degree or other. It makes it very easy for a government agency, expecially an intelligence agency, to track me down or monitor me if they so desire.

But, I'm just one dude among 300 or so million. Aside from my devastating good looks and all, what would they want with me?

So, genXer, what are you worried about? hmmm .......?

;)

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Originally posted here by genXer
Also many of us applied and either received or will receive a kit from the NSA - so that just authorizes them to spy on us all they want - right?!?

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I didn't see anything overt, covert or implied that authorized the NSA to take any type of action in relation to intelligence gathering in exchange for that package. I think this is a long stretch to make a link, even for a consipiracy theorist.

Keep in mind that the NSA group that performed the surveillance was under law enforcement orders with secret presidential approval.

Granted, they have the capability to do a great many things. But, getting information on me would be trivial for them. I have no reason to hide anything and the government has very large package of information on me from near 15 years of military service. I've had numerous FBI background checks, largely because I was responsible for various armory vaults and millions of dollars of armored hardware and explosives.

I have a driver's license, a social security number, multiple marriages and a couple divorces. That is all public record to some degree or other. It makes it very easy for a government agency, expecially an intelligence agency, to track me down or monitor me if they so desire.

But, I'm just one dude among 300 or so million. Aside from my devastating good looks and all, what would they want with me?

So, genXer, what are you worried about? hmmm .......?

;)

Where to start, where to start :rolleyes:
I'll try to make my standpoint as simple as possible. I think the very thing we hold precious, is what is going to do us in. That thing is civil liberty.
How can we have any kind of security when everyone has "rights". We want this country to protect us from threats to our way of life but, at the same time not infringe on our civil liberties. Profiling is not allowed. If any hint of prejudice is expressed in any fashion, someone is filing a lawsuit. Speaking of which, frivilous lawsuits have just about painted this country into a corner. Everyone is bitching about "rights". Everyone wants "rights" and no one is willing to sacrafice their "rights" for their country. I'm sick of this "Me Me Me" mentality. I personally don't care if it takes an 1 hour longer for me to board an airplane in exchange for that feeling of security. I don't care if they pick me out and search me (which has been done before).
We live in an age where terrorism is no longer "over there", that was clearly displayed on Sept 11, 2001. Terrorists are constantly looking for ways to bring terrorism to my doorstep and I for one, appreciate more security. If that means tapping phones, watching computer activity, monitoring purchases, so be it.
These same liberal asswipes who are bitching about their "rights" go and spend $1.49 on their "support our troops" magnetic car ribbons which most of the proceeds don't even go to our troops, and consider that as serving their country. How f'ing patriotic of you. While I never served, I don't plaster my vehicle with pseudo-patriotic garbage. I donate money directly to the Red Cross Armed Forces Emergency Services and it's more than $1.49. And as an ultimate show of faith, I am willing to sacrafice what I hold dearest in order for this country to protect itself. My civil liberties.

Where to start, where to start :rolleyes:
I'll try to make my standpoint as simple as possible. I think the very thing we hold precious, is what is going to do us in. That thing is civil liberty.
How can we have any kind of security when everyone has "rights". We want this country to protect us from threats to our way of life but, at the same time not infringe on our civil liberties. Profiling is not allowed. If any hint of prejudice is expressed in any fashion, someone is filing a lawsuit. Speaking of which, frivilous lawsuits have just about painted this country into a corner. Everyone is bitching about "rights". Everyone wants "rights" and no one is willing to sacrafice their "rights" for their country. I'm sick of this "Me Me Me" mentality. I personally don't care if it takes an 1 hour longer for me to board an airplane in exchange for that feeling of security. I don't care if they pick me out and search me (which has been done before).
We live in an age where terrorism is no longer "over there", that was clearly displayed on Sept 11, 2001. Terrorists are constantly looking for ways to bring terrorism to my doorstep and I for one, appreciate more security. If that means tapping phones, watching computer activity, monitoring purchases, so be it.
These same liberal asswipes who are bitching about their "rights" go and spend $1.49 on their "support our troops" magnetic car ribbons which most of the proceeds don't even go to our troops, and consider that as serving their country. How f'ing patriotic of you. While I never served, I don't plaster my vehicle with pseudo-patriotic garbage. I donate money directly to the Red Cross Armed Forces Emergency Services and it's more than $1.49. And as an ultimate show of faith, I am willing to sacrafice what I hold dearest in order for this country to protect itself. My civil liberties.

Hmmm,

Sounds like an administrative blunder to me?

1. You would have to visit the site.
2. I doubt if terrorists are the sort to visit the NSA site.
3. In firefox at least you can dump cookies as soon as you exit the browser.


;)

Hmmm,

Sounds like an administrative blunder to me?

1. You would have to visit the site.
2. I doubt if terrorists are the sort to visit the NSA site.
3. In firefox at least you can dump cookies as soon as you exit the browser.


;)

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So, genXer, what are you worried about? hmmm .......?

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Ummmmmmmm... nothing - yeah that's it. Nothing to see here... heh-heh. I just wanted to mention it is all... yeah that's it.

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*Me shows left sleeve... Nothing here!
*Me shows right sleeve... Nothing here!
*Me takes a flashlight and shines through my ears... Annnnd nothing here!

I just think it interesting how our Commander-In-Chief is almost changing his tune on the matter of spying on Americans. Right after 9/11 people would have not even questioned, however I believe that as time goes on and measures are taken and people move on, we turn back again to realizing we do not want to sacrifice our civil liberties, at least not all, for security. However, if something, God forbid happen like that again to us or another country - will it's citizens be apt to surrender their civil liberties to gain some measure of security or peace of mind believing they are secure? I will venture out at this point to say "Yes" - I certainly do not agree with that practice - I am just thinking people might react that way.

Like in IT, security and functionality, (i.e., secure happy living), needs to be done in a balance. At this point, it appears our government is leaning more towards security, while negating the fact people want to eat, drink and be merry... or be with Mary; or both.

Besides - they already have my DNA on file - and I lost a bet and my clones get to work in Cali while I freeze... clones are such cheaters.

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So, genXer, what are you worried about? hmmm .......?

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Ummmmmmmm... nothing - yeah that's it. Nothing to see here... heh-heh. I just wanted to mention it is all... yeah that's it.

...
..
.

*Me shows left sleeve... Nothing here!
*Me shows right sleeve... Nothing here!
*Me takes a flashlight and shines through my ears... Annnnd nothing here!

I just think it interesting how our Commander-In-Chief is almost changing his tune on the matter of spying on Americans. Right after 9/11 people would have not even questioned, however I believe that as time goes on and measures are taken and people move on, we turn back again to realizing we do not want to sacrifice our civil liberties, at least not all, for security. However, if something, God forbid happen like that again to us or another country - will it's citizens be apt to surrender their civil liberties to gain some measure of security or peace of mind believing they are secure? I will venture out at this point to say "Yes" - I certainly do not agree with that practice - I am just thinking people might react that way.

Like in IT, security and functionality, (i.e., secure happy living), needs to be done in a balance. At this point, it appears our government is leaning more towards security, while negating the fact people want to eat, drink and be merry... or be with Mary; or both.

Besides - they already have my DNA on file - and I lost a bet and my clones get to work in Cali while I freeze... clones are such cheaters.